the asymmetrical frame thing just isn't jiving with me. is their reasoning that it makes it moar easy to access the shock for maintenance and shiz? Cause for the life of me, I can't think of anything you would need to access on a shock while its mounted, other than the knobs and mounting hardware. It looks ****ing ugly. The side with the bracing is too beefed up to compensate for the lack of support on the other side, and the side without it just looks ****ing stupid. No need to reinvent the ****ing wheel, put support on both sides and slim down the structure, would have looked much better IMO. Owell, maybe the spring will castrate a few Specialized customers and keep them from producing offspring.
2015 Specialized Demo and Enduro Evo
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Table tops are measured in meters around these parts. If you are using centimeters, your jumps are way too small.
And I agree with csermonet. While otherwise the bike looks really fine, the asymmetrical seat tube brace just looks silly and does not make any structural sense. Maybe suspension tuners rejoice now that they have access to the shimz a couple of seconds faster, but for average joe this has no relevance.
(*stumbles through front door / lands on floor*)
Whoa - where am... oh - right, I'm back here.
So, in lieu (French term -pinkies out-) of the latest evolution of the Demo 8, I went through my archives and found what at the time was my second DH bike ever and race bike for at least two seasons... and Holy Sh!t, just look at this thing:
...everything aft of the seat mast is like something out of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome... and the gi-normous mongo link between the seat stay and the frame...?! Don't get me wrong I loved this bike, but it seems like yesterday I was riding it and now it looks like something Ash would have built in Army of Darkness.
Compared to the latest iteration: (and of course the S-Works edition above)
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Whoa - where am... oh - right, I'm back here.
So, in lieu (French term -pinkies out-) of the latest evolution of the Demo 8, I went through my archives and found what at the time was my second DH bike ever and race bike for at least two seasons... and Holy Sh!t, just look at this thing:
...everything aft of the seat mast is like something out of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome... and the gi-normous mongo link between the seat stay and the frame...?! Don't get me wrong I loved this bike, but it seems like yesterday I was riding it and now it looks like something Ash would have built in Army of Darkness.
Compared to the latest iteration: (and of course the S-Works edition above)
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The asymetric seat tube makes a lot of sense, think about how carbon fiber is built. Building a tunnel it's a lot harder than doing it asymetric. Now you can use a pretty much standard mold. And Kinematics are pretty much the same as the old model, the frame looks very different but it works the same.
Maybe manufactural (is that a real word?) sense, but not structural sense.
That "Metric vs SAE" world map is so false. Venezuela is a great example where both worlds live together, as it must be. I prefer the metric system myself, but the reality is that a huge part of things in life have been invented by americans.
Here in Spain, it is very, very difficult to find a 1/4 inch bolt (for instance), but then you have some hydraulic connections and other stuff like that in imperial system, lame. Contrary to that, in USA you can easily find and buy metric stuff. American univeristy students (as in Venezuela also) are used to working and calculating in both systems (at least the ones I have come to know), here in Europe they have no clue what lbf.ft are. So maybe the close minded are not actually the americans.
It is a shame that there is not one single system, but that is reality, and that map is false.
Oh and the assymetric Demo is not cool to me, as the shock vs downtube angle is not either.
JP
Here in Spain, it is very, very difficult to find a 1/4 inch bolt (for instance), but then you have some hydraulic connections and other stuff like that in imperial system, lame. Contrary to that, in USA you can easily find and buy metric stuff. American univeristy students (as in Venezuela also) are used to working and calculating in both systems (at least the ones I have come to know), here in Europe they have no clue what lbf.ft are. So maybe the close minded are not actually the americans.
It is a shame that there is not one single system, but that is reality, and that map is false.
Oh and the assymetric Demo is not cool to me, as the shock vs downtube angle is not either.
JP
I was taught to jump between both systems too at high school and did some unit conversions as part of the practical part of my Physics 101 course in college here in Argentina. Two years later, I helped a friend to do a paper from the sociological point of view, comparing both systems. Turns out the Imperial system had much more Imperial than its name. The plethora of units (many of them overlapping or not being universally defined, such as Ounces, Miles and so on) had the covert mission of facilitating scams for the educated members of the US and UK populace over their uneducated counterparts (both in those countries and in their occupied territories all over the world). Since unit conversion takes some basic math to be carried on successfully, it was easy for the landlord to do skewed calculations when converting the labor of his workforce to dollars. As the Justice system, both features were planned to divert the lower part of the population from going up in the social scale.
hey at least they're still using basic geometric shapes. 30 years from now they'll have axles that are a mobius strip
i want my head angle measurements in units of Pi
Radians mang.
technically the same thing.
those first gen demo 9's were absolute battle-ass tanks. i think they were right around 50lbs?
my first thoughts were - ease of shock changes, mainly for the WC mechanics.
but hadn't even considered the production aspects of it. MUCH easier with only one side. yet somehow i bet they will charge more for it.
you forgot another- it looks cool and nobody else is doing it.
Up next: Single sided swingarms, with, you guessed it........a new hub standard!!
Measured in inches too btw. Because, fvck you.
Oh, but not before a new proprietary Ohlins/Specialized fork with it's own proprietary taper measurements, thus necessitating....a new headset and headtube standard!! The possibilities are endless folks!
Oh and don't count on this fork having knobs. It's for "workd cup mechanics", which make up most of the target market, so it's going to only take JIS adjuster screws, which look like Phillips heads, but will strip out if you use a Phillips driver.
Because.....fvck you.
Measured in inches too btw. Because, fvck you.
Oh, but not before a new proprietary Ohlins/Specialized fork with it's own proprietary taper measurements, thus necessitating....a new headset and headtube standard!! The possibilities are endless folks!
Oh and don't count on this fork having knobs. It's for "workd cup mechanics", which make up most of the target market, so it's going to only take JIS adjuster screws, which look like Phillips heads, but will strip out if you use a Phillips driver.
Because.....fvck you.
Funny how slowy the FSR went from a 0% to a 100% Anti-squat suspension system...
You are one bitter old man...
I'm still in my 20's, barely. I think I just accidentally gave Specialized development direction for the next two years...
Pi is a dimensionless quantity, not a unit
Gotta come correct w/ the vernacular to armchair e-nerd mindless speculation threads.
SAE is not a system of measurement, it is a system of standards. Nothing on bikes has to do with SAE, since they have no standards for bikes, and bikes do not use inch sized hardware.
"US customary units" is the system of measurement being discussed, vs metric.
I agree that the metric system is generally superior and it would be nice if the entire world standardized to it. But you make a good point that many American based products (fluid fittings especially) don't always have metric equivalents (yet), so switching would be a painful process for a while. That said, it will only get worse as time goes on.
On topic, I am glad the Demo finally lost its extra chainstays, but the asymmetric seat tube definitely looks odd. This must have been a marketing decision, because everyone knows all engineers hate asymmetry.
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radians are in factors of Pi.Pi is a dimensionless quantity, not a unit
Gotta come correct w/ the vernacular to armchair e-nerd mindless speculation threads.
and pi technically is not a quantity. it is a ratio, and is irrational.
Fancy college boy!
correct, radians are measured in base-pi, in the same way millimeters are measured in base-10 and inches in base-12.
Actually, what I posted was a pic of a first gen Demo 8, but back then the 9 and 8 looked so similar... That's right - the Demo 9's were probably around the 48lbs. mark. I know that in race trim, my Demo 8 was STILL 42 lbs. and that was with XT cranks and Welter Weight tubes.those first gen demo 9's were absolute battle-ass tanks. i think they were right around 50lbs?
What's amazing is that Straight used to throw these things around like they were pit-bikes, but then again when he was 18, he was built like a running back. =) Trying to clean and service the bearings was a total nightmare...
Haha - I was WONDERING where you were!
I remember there was a guy with 24's on his rig in the lift line at the 04' U.S. Open... he said something about the smaller wheel diameter giving him an advantage... I was speechless.
I remember there was a guy with 24's on his rig in the lift line at the 04' U.S. Open... he said something about the smaller wheel diameter giving him an advantage... I was speechless.
ridemonky logic "I don't really know how they went about the cf layup, or really any of the technical aspects of this bike, so all I have to complain about is that they're going to charge more for a one sided seatmast then 2?? but were only getting one side, shouldn't it cost half the price?"
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Thats plainly not a Bass. Common Carp I'd say. Or Cyprinus carpio in imperial...
If we are being all accurate now, some BMX bicycles as well as Harley motorbikes use fasteners sized in those oddball fractions of 25.4mm
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No because the other "S-work" demo was basically the same as other CF frame. But now if they had 2 variants that are very different it would be unusual. I would be shocked if they made many of the SWork variety. Judging by the Enduro S-Work price jump I would assume the same will happen to the S-Work Demo frames.
Someone mentioned geo earlier. Inc link
Going not too far out a limb with an $11k full // $5k frame guess
edit- and $7k with the obviously eventually coming ohlins fork
edit- and $7k with the obviously eventually coming ohlins fork
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Actually, pi is not a ratio, and this is in fact the definition of an irrational number (unable to be represented as a ratio of two integers). Fun fact: 22/7 deviates from pi by the third decimal place.
Some things never change. Forever 13!but he was like 13 at the time, and taking internet mountain biking WAY too seriously.......