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Westy

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there are a couple states with open investigations. states that were close which could potentially change (or not change) the outcome.
I am not talking about "irregularities" or voter disenfranchisement that is common to most elections. Or event the archaic delegate/caucus system. He was talking about wholesale fraud on the order of 20% of votes.
 

jstuhlman

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Dec 3, 2009
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seriously? maybe the aliens were influencing it. maybe if you're counting the states where all of bernie's supoosed "independent" supporters "couldn't" vote. if they were such hardcore advocates they could have switched affiliation in advance and voted. what a bunch of bs.

and @stevew - cut your sexist bs calling hillary a "man." you butthurt bro? easy way out saying no one us good enough for you? it's obvious that it's hillary/trump, "fixed", "foxed," "corrupt" or not. sack up and vote for the better one, 'cause you know at this point there's not another viable option. anything else is defeatist whining. go ahead and go to mexico/canda already...
 

stevew

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Sep 21, 2001
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good enough....no.....tired of it....yes.....

sexist.....not by a fucking longshot.....or are you not allowed to have a little fun with the heir apparent?

move.....why would i?
 

Pesqueeb

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seriously? maybe the aliens were influencing it. maybe if you're counting the states where all of bernie's supoosed "independent" supporters "couldn't" vote. if they were such hardcore advocates they could have switched affiliation in advance and voted. what a bunch of bs.
I dunno. Here in CO, IIRC you have to have been "party affiliated" for at 90 days prior to caucus to vote. I changed pretty much the day Bernie announced, but how many "average" voters do you think even noticed? Bernie polled in single digits for months because most people didn't even know who he was. IMHO the closed caucus system is profoundly undemocratic, and has definitely hurt Bernie. The acid test for this will be the next couple of weeks. I seem to recall reading that only 2 of the remaining states were "closed" systems. If Bernie sweeps, or even just does well, than you should have your answer.
 

stoney

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I dunno. Here in CO, IIRC you have to have been "party affiliated" for at 90 days prior to caucus to vote. I changed pretty much the day Bernie announced, but how many "average" voters do you think even noticed? Bernie polled in single digits for months because most people didn't even know who he was. IMHO the closed caucus system is profoundly undemocratic, and has definitely hurt Bernie. The acid test for this will be the next couple of weeks. I seem to recall reading that only 2 of the remaining states were "closed" systems. If Bernie sweeps, or even just does well, than you should have your answer.
Same. That being said, Wifey's party affiliation form was sent in with mine and she was not showing up as a registered Democrat when I went to the caucus. Thankfully* there was no issue with her not being able to vote, as she was in CA, but I was pretty surprised by that.
 

mykel

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So, let me get this straight - now it's basically a three way race - Hillary for the Repubs, Bernie for the Dems and Drumpf for the disenfranchised low info bigots? :rofl:

But I thought they were Repubs? :disgust1:

I'm so confused o_O...
 

AngryMetalsmith

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With Trump at the helm of the sinking GOP, the debates, whether against Clinton or Sanders, are going to be epic. The man is an unqualified, racist, buffoon with policies that are as thin and phony as his hair. Either Dem candidate, both career politicians and well spoken should have no problem destroying him in a debate.

However as these things go and conservative's penchant for not allowing the facts to cloud their judgement, little will sway Trump supporters. If Trump is to be denied the White House, then it's up to the Dems to get out and vote, not sit around and complain about lack of good choices.
 

Westy

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If nothing else 2016 is going to be a year of firsts. We will either get our first jewish, woman, or orange president.
 

stevew

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ed henry sabbatical....reason....sticking dick in vegas hostess
 

syadasti

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I've got a brain tumor. But I'm not going to have that "doctor" with 30 years of neurosurgery experience do it. He's a "career brain surgeon". I'd much rather have jim-bob my retard neighbor do it with a hack saw and a drill press. How hard can it really be?
But even the seasoned doctors are going to give you drugs and procedures that aren't in your best interests because of money and favors, however small - the real issues aren't even close to their primary focus and you're still going to die of cancer. They'll claim it hasn't influenced them but they're lying or deluded. Money/marketing has damaged our medical system and broken our political system:

https://www.propublica.org/article/doctors-who-take-company-cash-tend-to-prescribe-more-brand-name-drugs

http://www.nextavenue.org/dont-let-your-doctor-kill-you/


 
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Westy

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I've got a brain tumor. But I'm not going to have that "doctor" with 30 years of neurosurgery experience do it. He's a "career brain surgeon". I'd much rather have jim-bob my retard neighbor do it with a hack saw and a drill press. How hard can it really be?
Don't be silly. I think steve is suggesting you hire a rich guy would blame mexicans on your tumor and who says he would do an awesome job at treating it. He would get the best nurses to take care of you and the mexicans would pay for it.
 

stevew

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I've got a brain tumor. But I'm not going to have that "doctor" with 30 years of neurosurgery experience do it. He's a "career brain surgeon". I'd much rather have jim-bob my retard neighbor do it with a hack saw and a drill press. How hard can it really be?
i think there are plenty of lawyers in the united states with egos big enough to think they know what is best for us for there to be a healthy turnover.....senators should be limited to two terms and congressmen to three.....then they can earn their speaking fees...
 

Pesqueeb

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But even the seasoned doctors are going to give you drugs and procedures that aren't in your best interests because of money and favors, however small - the real issues aren't even close to their primary focus and you're still going to die of cancer. They'll claim it hasn't influenced them but they're lying or deluded. Money/marketing has damaged our medical system and broken our political system:

https://www.propublica.org/article/doctors-who-take-company-cash-tend-to-prescribe-more-brand-name-drugs

http://www.nextavenue.org/dont-let-your-doctor-kill-you/


Jesus Christ. :rolleyes:

I need to build a big bridge over a deep canyon. But I'm not going to hire a 30 year "career engineer" design it for me. I'd much rather have my retard neighbor jim-bob draw it up for me on the back of a bar napkin with a crayon. He build a chicken coop once so it should be good enough.

edit: in before treatise on the evils and/or corrupting power of the civil engineering lobby.
 
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syadasti

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Jesus Christ. :rolleyes:

I need to build a big bridge over a deep canyon. But I'm not going to hire a 30 year "carer engineer" design it for me. I'd much rather have my retard neighbor jim-bob draw it up for me on the back of a bar napkin with a crayon. He build a chicken coop once so it should be good enough.
A broken system isn't an endorsement of jim-bob.