"It's not disenfranchisement, I just want to make sure only the right people get to vote!" - Brian, presumably.
2020 speculation thread
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"11 percent of voting-age Americans did not have current government-issued photo ID. Among African Americans, 25 percent did not have such ID, compared to 8 percent of whites."
PolitiFact - Eric Holder says recent studies show 25 percent of African Americans, 8 percent of whites lack government-issued photo IDs
Addressing the NAACP at its annual convention in Houston, Attorney General Eric Holder stressed his commitment to battli
www.politifact.com
It's not always about not possessing, I couldn't register to vote or do anything in the State of AK without an "AK ID". To get an AK DL, they wouldn't accept my federal ID. So when I was 8 and my SS card was laminated, that somehow made it invalid and couldn't be used for verification. So then I had to go through a bunch of BS of getting a notarized or whatever BC from the hospital I was born at and waiting for that to arrive, go to the SS office and make appointments to gt a new card, ultimately having to jump through a bunch of ridiculous hoops that in this day and age are frankly all bullshit, to get a State DL (ID). I'm sure if they arrested me, they'd have no problem figuring out who I was. And again, this is while I had a freaking federal ID. We are going to go through the same bullshit train again with the "Real ID", where despite having a federal ID that already meets the "Real ID" requirements, I have to present a passport and other bullshit pieces of verification...rather than just show them my "already fucking Real ID" and get an AK "Real ID" compliant DL made from that.
Now pretend that I take care of kids, or don't have a car, or live somewhere remote...you can see how this goes.
It also points out the great disparity between state requirements to even get an ID. I doubt it's much of a coincidence in these two examples above that the state that trends "blue" has the clearly easier way to get an ID than the state that trends "red".
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One can't take a book out of a library without ID, yet it's unreasonable for something as important as voting?
Get away from Portland-area and maine and alaska have a lot of similarities (poverty, remoteness/isolation and 'red' leaning etc).
MA is a bureaucratic hellhole to get anything done.
Of all the suppression tactics, this seems like the easiest to solve.
Given the 'It's Rigged' mentality on both sides lately, it's also a reasonable way to stomp out that nonsense.
Hell, make ID's free for all I care.
This is true in almost all states. Rural OR and WA are both incredibly conservative. So is Rural CO. So is rural CA (fuck you Devin Nunes). But it turns out that where people actually live tend to vote blue. In CO this means Denver and Boulder County carry the state. In OR this means Multnomah County and Lane County Carry the state, and so forth. As discussed previously, this is why the Electoral College is the largest and most pernicious voter suppression scheme run in this country.
If an ID is required to vote, ID's should be free. Else wise it is naught but a poll tax.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
I'll remember this next time additional, and costly, requirements to exercise 2a rights are proposed.
Which ironically impact the same people being defended/advocated for in arguments against ID requirements.
can confirm. large portions of rural maine don't look like they've recovered from the great depression.
it wasn't a terrible concept at the time it was conceived, but neither was asbestos or lead paint.
He probably couldn’t attend school due to no ID.
until you go to vote for president and are told you have already voted when you have not....
Except that this pretty much never happens. Like, ever. Statistical Zero. Your chances of being hit by a meteor (0.000000625) compared to proven instances of voter fraud in 2016 (0.000002).
How the Case for Voter Fraud Was Tested — and Utterly Failed
From a new Supreme Court ruling to a census question about citizenship, the campaign against illegal registration is thriving. But when the top proponent was challenged in a Kansas courtroom to prove that such fraud is rampant, the claims went up in smoke.
www.propublica.org
And when it does get proven, guess whose doing it?
GOP Finally Has Documented Case of Election Fraud — Committed by Republicans
The GOP pushes voter suppression to fight imaginary fraud, but that wouldn’t have stopped Republicans accused of tainting a North Carolina House race.
nymag.com
I'd skew it a little differently, but close enough for horse shoes and hand grenades.
Globally, Broad Support for Representative and Direct Democracy
Across the world, a median of 78% say representative democracy is a good way to govern their country. Yet, pro-democracy views coexist with openness to nondemocratic forms of governance.
www.pewresearch.org
U.S. Still Leans Conservative, but Liberals Keep Recent Gains
The nation's ideological balance held steady in 2018, with conservatives and moderates each at 35% and liberals remaining at last year's record high, 26%.
news.gallup.com
Democracy in Retreat
i know a unicorn.Except that this pretty much never happens. Like, ever. Statistical Zero. Your chances of being hit by a meteor (0.000000625) compared to proven instances of voter fraud in 2016 (0.000002).
How the Case for Voter Fraud Was Tested — and Utterly Failed
From a new Supreme Court ruling to a census question about citizenship, the campaign against illegal registration is thriving. But when the top proponent was challenged in a Kansas courtroom to prove that such fraud is rampant, the claims went up in smoke.
And when it does get proven, guess whose doing it?
GOP Finally Has Documented Case of Election Fraud — Committed by Republicans
The GOP pushes voter suppression to fight imaginary fraud, but that wouldn’t have stopped Republicans accused of tainting a North Carolina House race.
I'd skew it a little differently, but close enough for horse shoes and hand grenades.
Globally, Broad Support for Representative and Direct Democracy
Across the world, a median of 78% say representative democracy is a good way to govern their country. Yet, pro-democracy views coexist with openness to nondemocratic forms of governance.U.S. Still Leans Conservative, but Liberals Keep Recent Gains
The nation's ideological balance held steady in 2018, with conservatives and moderates each at 35% and liberals remaining at last year's record high, 26%.Democracy in Retreat
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Happened to me for a state election.
But statistically no big deal, like school shootings.
except no died.
It doesn't count when kids die. Haven't you been paying attention?except no died.
My bad, I thought we were just blindly applying statistics to counter the pov of others.except no died.
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Ima jus gonna leave dis here for da bros......
Really, every single thing I've seen so far in this election buildup and in the last election & buildup from Bernie's team has been unrelentingly toxic while the old man presents a kindly leftwing old man face to the public.
It is so consistently toxic and vile that I do not believe that it can be anything other that a deliberate choice by the candidate..... not just supporters & employee's getting out of hand, but a deliberate choice by the candidate and his inner circle of advisors.
And I predict that he will happily fuck up any DNC chances out of spite if not elected AGAIN.
Good luck with your next Trump presidential term...... And it will be a Trump term.
Odds are good for this one being the last one with a pretense of "free & fair".
Not quite sure how I missed this before, but It's pretty pathetic how no matter what is being discussed, somehow you manage to bring it back around to "muh guns!".
If someone starts a thread on "WHO subsidizing sub-Saharan farmers agriculture efforts", how long will it take you to turn it into "muh guns!"? 10 posts? 20?
Dan-o's law: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of gun nut butt hurt approaches 1"
Is your masculinity really that fragile?
An absolutely false comparison/narrative that you made. Micro /= Macro
"We studied all accidents involving Red Peugeots across America and have determined there is no auto-accident concern in this country" - NHSTA
Not quite sure how I missed this before, but It's pretty pathetic how no matter what is being discussed, somehow you manage to bring it back around to "muh guns!".
If someone starts a thread on "WHO subsidizing sub-Saharan farmers agriculture efforts", how long will it take you to turn it into "muh guns!"? 10 posts? 20?
Dan-o's law: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of gun nut butt hurt approaches 1"
Is your masculinity really that fragile?
An absolutely false comparison/narrative that you made. Micro /= Macro
"We studied all accidents involving Red Peugeots across America and have determined there is no auto-accident concern in this country" - NHSTA
Oops I did it again
I also mentioned it because it's being argued that an ID is too onerous a requirement to exercise a Right.
Unless it's free, of course.
Yet these same people have no issue proposing/enacting huge hurdles to exercise another Right, because they don't like it.
Safe storage laws? Give me a safe (mine's full anyhow)
Required Training? give me a voucher
Liability Insurance? Sign me up but make sure everyone pays into pool, just like health insurance.
Plus it tied into your meteor analogy of statistical probability making taking action on something irrelevant.
Which was sarcasm, despite the joy I get from seeing dead kids.
It’s the same issue: What’s a reasonable restriction on a Right?
Can that same standard be objectively applied to other rights?
ID to vote, permit to assemble/protest, probable cause etc.
Conflating happens when things like social issues (poverty, racial history, privilege etc) are used to subjectively sway the argument.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/06/politics/iowa-caucus-results/index.htmlAnd we’re supposed to trust them with our healthcare? (That was for you @jonKranked)
i voted for death panels.
And we’re supposed to trust them with our healthcare? (That was for you @jonKranked)
nail meet head.
cnn...
And we’re supposed to trust them with our healthcare? (That was for you @jonKranked)