2020 speculation thread
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A little better than it was but not good.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c5db1ece4b03afe8d674530
Much more of a deal killer to me than the much ado about nothing regarding Warren and her family’s oral history that they had Native roots.
Much more of a deal killer to me than the much ado about nothing regarding Warren and her family’s oral history that they had Native roots.
A lot can be said about a persons character by the way they treat underlings/staff. I once worked for a guy whose highest time employee had 2 years on the job. Didnt take me long to realize that should have been a sign. I barely stayed a year.
Fuck you, Scott.
Mindful of these figures I just made a $5 donation to Warren 2020 and a $3 donation to Bernie. Many small donors, yes.
She was going to but they recinded their invitation.
Has the meteor thrown it's firey chance of death into the ring yet?
https://elizabethwarren.com/issues/?source=BPI2019-LB-GS-CO&subsource=GS-69100151200-elizabeth warren-p-330865776128&utm_source=GS&utm_campaign=BPI2019-LB-GS-CO&utm_term=Elizabeth warren-330865776128&gclid=Cj0KCQiAtP_iBRDGARIsAEWJA8j3Fwi1RgOa2wVXXRLpCrvOrxrHZtYpekfk0TwIDMiI28rsTRBASDAaAqd3EALw_wcB&refcode=BPI2019-LB-GS-CO#a-foreign-policy-for-all
I don’t find any issues here on her platform with which I disagree.
I don’t find any issues here on her platform with which I disagree.
https://www.tikkun.org/newsite/more-aipac-than-j-street-kamala-harris-runs-to-the-right-on-foreign-policy
I’ll support her if it comes down to her or Trump, of course, but in an otherwise relatively homogeneous field this AIPAC alignment is a good reason to not support Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillebrand, or Cory Booker, IMO.
I’ll support her if it comes down to her or Trump, of course, but in an otherwise relatively homogeneous field this AIPAC alignment is a good reason to not support Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillebrand, or Cory Booker, IMO.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/02/cory-booker-has-a-betsy-devos-problem/
Whether you support charter schools or not should be a strong litmus test for Cory Booker, as he has thrown his hat in with DeVos on this one.
Whether you support charter schools or not should be a strong litmus test for Cory Booker, as he has thrown his hat in with DeVos on this one.
Re Biden: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2019/1/24/18195926/joe-biden-2020-speech-fred-upton
Fuck that guy. $200k speeches to Republican groups is not reaching across the aisle. It’s profiteering, the same offense that many found so objectionable in HRC in 2016.
Fuck that guy. $200k speeches to Republican groups is not reaching across the aisle. It’s profiteering, the same offense that many found so objectionable in HRC in 2016.
https://www.montereyherald.com/2015/02/23/luis-alejo-kamala-harris-back-asset-seizure-before-criminal-charges/
Kamala Harris supported expansion of civil asset forfeiture, a tool that is pretty terrible from every perspective except that of Boss Hogg.
Kamala Harris supported expansion of civil asset forfeiture, a tool that is pretty terrible from every perspective except that of Boss Hogg.
I'm going to reiterate my question... what about Sherrod?
Maybe it's not about the issues? Maybe it's about electability? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/10/opinion/amy-klobuchar-sherrod-brown-2020.html?action=click&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=Article®ion=Footer&contentCollection=Opinion
He seems to be decent on the issues
http://www.ontheissues.org/oh/sherrod_brown.htm
Perhaps he will shine in debates. He's just invisible, though.
Who cares about issues, do you want to have a beer with him?
No, I really don't. (And yes, I get the W reference.)
I'd probably have a ball with Warren over a beer discussing bankruptcy law and the like.
I think klobachar has ptitf potential.
probably a limp wristed media-loving snowflake, too.
yeah I know Biden is the old, centrist, wealthy white guy, but is that really a problem in this election? If the choice is two white guys, one of whom kept her out of work for a month, who is betty lou from Wisconsin more likely to vote for? People in san fran and boston are going to vote for the (D) no matter what, so do you really need to appeal to them?
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but some of you guys need to close your Overton Windows. There seems to be a suggestion that the problem the Dems had in 2016 was that the presidential candidate wasn't bland and obsequious enough. For fuck sake, who on earth could possible have been more generic and doughy than Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine? 
Neo-liberal, bland, Democratic "centrism" will get us nothing but another 4 years of Trump.
We are currently existing in a timeline where popular policy and ideas from 30-70 years ago are standards carried by "Radical fringe leftist loonies" viewed with the pearl clutching horror typically reserved for women seeking leadership positions in an evangelical church. If the 2016 election made anything clear, it should have been that people are tired of "politics as usual". Hillary, while certainly not charismatic, was arguably the most qualified technocrat of our lifetimes, running against an amoral, unqualified, brain dead, word salad-ing, narcissist, and she lost. And you don't get to blame it on the "electoral college" because it was an election that SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN CLOSE IN THE FIRST PLACE except for the fact that "the masses" are sick and tried of being sick and tired and having the screws put to them.
Neo-liberal, bland, Democratic "centrism" will get us nothing but another 4 years of Trump.
yeah, but hillary had a big scary vagina, and that disqualified her for office. so you're going to replace her with a person with a big scary vagina AND dark skin? how do you think that's going to go over in the places that matter- NH, Wisconsin, Florida, NC? Hillary didn't appeal because she was a terrible candidate who ran a terrible campaign. She focused on not being offensive, rather than having an opinion on anything. Of course she was maximally qualified, but Jimmy Spaghetti out in Toledo doesn't care, he just wants to know if he can keep driving his mustang and shooting his guns on the weekend and at school. I don't think Bernie would have gotten out the vote, and neither will any of the other "radicals". I think there needs to be a focus on "politics as normal" this time around, because I think that's what most people want after 4 years of war with canada.
Politics as "normal" for a long time has been politics sold out to corporations. That needs to stop.
while I agree with you, and would like to push toward cleaner politics and greater environmental considerations (and scientific plz), I also would rather win the next election rather than prove the point that there are a lot of AOC fans out there, even though we lost. I am far more concerned with not going back to the dark ages than I am at becoming a Scandinavian style paradise.
This is my point. "Politics as normal" is exactly why Hillary lost and will be exactly how the democrats fuck up the next election.
Jim-bob in Bumblefuck, Nebrahoma already knows where "politics as normal" gets him, and that's why he voted for Trump. When the Dems put up another "politician as usual", it's why he will vote for Trump again, even if he's some how had even a smidgen of moral clarity break through his opioid addled mind. I'm not advocating for "AOC 2020", what I am advocating for is a clearly spoken, progressive agenda, delineated from the tired corporatist agenda of the current Democratic party.
there's still time between now and 2020 for Jim-Bob to get fucked over by cheeto. a lot of trump supporters are already having regrets because of their tax returns this year.
He's already getting fucked by Trump, and even if you assume that he actually recognizes it, he's going to go full conspritard and blame everything on deepstate illegals eating with pizza pedophiles reading hillary's emails in benghazi, because it can't be that he just made poor life choices and was duped by a con-man.
But this round if politics has gone straight to being actually run by corporations.
I don't disagree, but I think we're experiencing politics by amateur. I'm wagering that nobody wants politics by psychopath this time around, and will go for the safe choice, which is politics as usual. Faced with the option of 4 more years of circus penis or 4 new years of spend-o-rama, I think they're going to go with the orange choice.
This is my point. "Politics as normal" is exactly why Hillary lost
the risk of a GOP primary challenger in 2020 is great enough that the RNC is changing stuff to try and prevent it
https://thinkprogress.org/gop-moves-to-block-anyone-from-running-a-2020-primary-challenge-against-trump-ddaecd967c7a/
I still think that there is a huge, underrepresented majority of people that want things to be pretty much normal and neither want free college for everybody nor abortion to be outlawed outright. Unfortunately our options are the donald or AOC. An option like a moderate republican or god forbid a centrist dem would appeal to a lot of people.
Throwing the starbucks guy in the mix may give the AOC candidate an opportunity- divide the republicans between trump loving diehards and moderates, and leaving the blue blood dems to scoop up everybody left of center. Then again, that may whittle away the support of Warren or whatever other nutjob is leading.
I suppose this is what the primaries are for and I'm not a political analyst so I certainly don't know, but I'd vote for anybody that takes us out of the tailspin and puts us back on a path to normalcy.
Throwing the starbucks guy in the mix may give the AOC candidate an opportunity- divide the republicans between trump loving diehards and moderates, and leaving the blue blood dems to scoop up everybody left of center. Then again, that may whittle away the support of Warren or whatever other nutjob is leading.
I suppose this is what the primaries are for and I'm not a political analyst so I certainly don't know, but I'd vote for anybody that takes us out of the tailspin and puts us back on a path to normalcy.
Yes, the moderate cannidate needs to be willing and able to punch the crazies in the face.