2022 Racing/Team Rumors
- Thread starter Redwood Mulch Chucker
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don't forget to apply the relevant standards
so if I'm reading this correctly, as long as Neko and Frank make his frames available for sale publicly, and can produce one within 120 days, they're clear?
within 12 months of the date it is first raced. with the option of an extension.
and it sounds like he does plan on making at least one run of them, whenever he gets the design finalized.
I've always assumed the uci did not enforce the rule. Wasn't Norton on a proto hi- pivot Devinci? What about all of the Atherton bikes, I remember hearing warner mention there were 5 or 6 different versions that have been tested/raced? The dual shock Cannondale that Simmonds raced, the list goes on.
A. if it’s not an olympic discipline the UCI gives no fucks about protos. At least Neko’s manager doesn’t think so, and he ran the HRC mtb program, but, also, i’m sure Neko will sell as many batches as Frank is willing to make, once the development cycle(which is the deliverable of this years program) runs it’s course.
B. If I am feeling bad about the future of humanity, I drive down to Kanuga and do a few laps, and my faith in the future is renewed. In the last year I never even bothered to ride anywhere else in Wnc or Upsate SC.
Everywhere needs a Kanuga.
B. If I am feeling bad about the future of humanity, I drive down to Kanuga and do a few laps, and my faith in the future is renewed. In the last year I never even bothered to ride anywhere else in Wnc or Upsate SC.
Everywhere needs a Kanuga.
dang. i guess i need to get out there...all the charlotte bro-dudes are always there so i've generally avoided it. i always just go to wilsons
The parking lot at Kanuga just got a lot bigger. For the last 6 months or so it’s been getting tight, but the trail network separates people well. Only place that is ever full of people are the chill spots and the line up to drop into the blue flow that is closest to the parking lot.
Kanuga is magic because it’s not that tall(puny like mt. creek and highland, not bad company i suppose) and that means more laps per hour, and more time and energy to go back and try to improve or test.
Ebike folks already get an insane amount of laps in.
I can only imagine how many laps Neko and Luca get in when they are getting hauled up in the side by side. I’ve timed a few events there now, the secret side by side trail to the top gets you there PDQ. I have the most fun when i pedal up with friends or coworkers and stop and session rut sections and flat corners. There is evolving raw rut slalom at all times at Kanuga, why would i go anywhere else?!!
Trailcrew changes up alignments all the time to keep new ruts forming, and then they re-naturalize the old line. That’s what pay to play mtb should look like- more ruts for the people, sustainably!
I think the loophole is that you just cannot continue using the same prototype. If you make a new bike every year that you "plan on marketing" but it was not approved by the racers because it was bad, that would allow you to race another one for a year.
I heard that even on the road the rules get circumvented by making pro bikes available on an obscure website that has no direct link from the manufacturers main HP. When UCI askes for something they send them the link and say "see, available as custom order for 30,000 USD/frame". So you cannot find it and if you find it the price will scare most away. And if any nutjob really wants one then they just sell him the bike.
Ah yes. I love a good standard. Half the ones I work with are pretty logical and straight forward. Then there are the standards largely written by a company or consultent and written in a way that to comply you pretty much have to purhcase a companies product or hire a consultant.
You live in a country who adopted the temperature scale invented by an alcoholic* who chose not one but two different substances to establish it, and then divided the interval in 180 parts. And you need to have a bachelor's degree to understand how many thumbs make a mile.
Go ahead, convince me 50% of your standards make sense. I'm listening
* Fahrenheit's love for the booze surely had to do with him choosing alcohol for the zero point of his scale, amirite?
You live in a country who adopted the temperature scale invented by an alcoholic* who chose not one but two different substances to establish it, and then divided the interval in 180 parts. And you need to have a bachelor's degree to understand how many thumbs make a mile.
Go ahead, convince me 50% of your standards make sense. I'm listening
* Fahrenheit's love for the booze surely had to do with him choosing alcohol for the zero point of his scale, amirite?
**when it's time to party we will party hard**
Check,I’m glad you heard it too. No one else said a word? I know nothing of those rim’s,but he was killin it.
Avy
I think he is into e-motos right now and uses Intense just as a way to fund his real interest. See the podcast/interview I linked in the "Boo..." thread.
From what I gathered, he seems to be fabricating out of his garage because at Intense HQ they do not have any means to do so anymore. Also explains the weird for Intense CNC parts on the protos and tubesets that follow the last design concepts of their US-made bikes (leftover old stock?).
That was Funny Brother. It caught me off guard.I wish I knew where it was, but I once found an elaborate document and work flow diagram of the allowed process for ordering a birthday cake for someone.
Avy
Google “fairing industrial” and you can buy all the aluminum M16 tubes you might fancy, whoever managesd Intense after DH bicycle race enthusiasts sold it did some dumb shit, like closing the production floor.
Let’s be real and call that out. l
Steber is THE MAN. IFR will win races again soon enough.
Let’s be real and call that out. l
Steber is THE MAN. IFR will win races again soon enough.
I hope so. They had such a good streak going and a clear upward trajectory with Jack, Deano and Charlie. Then Gwin took over....
Looks like a Session....Uh, if this post from Vital is true, then Intense is done. In the old days everybody would buy and test Intense frames to see what they have going on and copy it.
Didn't Neko mention in one of the podcasts that before he left IFR that they had bought a bunch of other companies bikes to test?
Yep. And he said a couple times that neither him nor Aaron were getting on well with the proto.
You sure they're actually selling any? I mean technically they are "for sale".
Wasn't Neko switching to the M29 halfways through last year's season? I think only for national races.
Or maybe switch back to the prototype that Jack Moir had when he had a killer season? 
Or is it the same as the "current" M29?
Or is it the same as the "current" M29?
Why not just copy the frame that actually works? Or is the VPP jargon actually just a bag of dicks moving around some poorly placed pivots?
There are a lot of different ways to accomplish similar things. As he said, it’s a game of tradeoffs. A big thing in mtb is to appear to be bleeding edge, that’s why we get a new suspension style every season. Not because it’s better, stronger, better packaging, more fault tolerant, easier to manufacture, easier to maintain, etc.
I mean, one thing that you can't blame Intense for is changing its suspension style a lot. They are using VPP since 2002-ish? And before they were using FSR, minus their full DH bikes in the early years, which were a single pivots with linkage-actuated shocks.
That shows you how much good tires can offset shitty (according to the
) components like Rock Shox suspension, cracking Enve rims and unridabru SRAM brakes.The best bikes I ever had were all FSR, can't go wrong with that shit. 2002 and 2003 Intense M1(FSR) were great, 2004 Iron Horse SGS was pretty good and my 2021 Guerilla Gravity Trail Pistol is awesome. I had a 2008 Intense M6 and it was a turd.
Somebody with a better memory than me, what year did SC's patent expire and Intense switch from "VPP, designed and licensed by Santa Cruz" to "JS Tuned"?
I agree that it is one of the better suspension systems; simple, easy to manipulate, active under braking, etc.
Just don't call it FSR, one of the worst acronyms in a long line of shitty Specialized acronyms.
Future Shock Rear?
Just call it Horst Link for the guy Specialized bought it from.
Just don't call it FSR, one of the worst acronyms in a long line of shitty Specialized acronyms.
Future Shock Rear?
Just call it Horst Link for the guy Specialized bought it from.
I am not sure when it expired but the first V10 was 2002.
It was a few years ago I believe.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but the last production frame's suspension was also designed in collaboration with Cero:
INTENSE M29 – Cero Design
www.wearecero.com
New Geometry with Diverse Downtube Proposals
I'm more interested in an I-shaped axle path... I heard that's why Jack did well that one time.
I'm more interested in an I-shaped axle path... I heard that's why Jack did well that one time.