I can't dunk but they won't lower the basketball hoop to 7' so I can be in the NBA.11 years ago I got my first 29er and I think I've owned at least one in my stable since then. My point was that I'm 6'2" and would still have concerns about tire buzz in the steeps.
Take some of the shorter male riders or most of the womens field and they're going to be even worse off.
+1Why do people think that '29er hate™' is based on anything but having ridden the damn things?
It's not "just" internet hate, it's a distaste based on experience.
This article reflets the opinion of Chris Porter at the time the article was written. He has changed his mind now and runs the standard offset on the geometron bikes he sells.http://www.bikeradar.com/us/mtb/gear/article/pushing-the-limits-of-fork-offset-an-experiment-45343/
this is good reads for people who haven't experienced it.
the article was written by seb stott. it's his opinion. now, it's only the opinion of one rider, but I feel as though it's as close to a scientific test as anybody has given us, running the same bike with three different offsets back to back.This article reflets the opinion of Chris Porter at the time the article was written. He has changed his mind now and runs the standard offset on the geometron bikes he sells.
If there's data out there that suggests why he switched back, I'd love to see it, because he certainly is pushing the edges of geometry.
Even the WC he won on a GT Zaskar?All of Vouilloz's wins should be retroactively given an * to denote that he was on better equipment.
You're old scott. You're just old.Holy flashbacks! I haven't posted to RM in 5 years, but was amazed to find that the OG gang is still here. I think I will try to hang out a bit more myself.
I randomly stumbled on this post looking to read what riders are thinking of the prospect of 29er DH bikes. Personally I don't think our local UT DH race courses are fast enough for the current crop of 27.5 DH bikes to be an advantage over the last of the 26 DH bikes. However, my long-shocked Santa Cruz Hightower is bloody fast at the local bike park. Don't know what to think.
I my world, journalists are not allowed to express their opinion in articles... or maybe only very mildly and between lines! the lizard people are very powerful and will make sure that any diverging opinion will be restrained. See what they did to teamrobot!the article was written by seb stott. it's his opinion
from the 2015 review here https://www.pinkbike.com/news/nicolai-mojo-geometron-first-ride-2015.htmlAs for chris porter, did he give an explanation for why he runs standard offset? because the simplest explanation that I can come up with is that fox doesn't sell 650b forks with 37mm offset
Working at Mojo give him the possibility to swap crown assy.Pinkbike said:He also built the fork using a crown/steerer assembly from a 26" travel Fox 36 fork, which has a shorter offset than the 27.5" version, meaning the steering feel will quicken slightly to offset the lag given by the slacker head angle.
I my world, journalists are not allowed to express their opinion in articles... or maybe only very mildly and between lines! the lizard people are very powerful and will make sure that any diverging opinion will be restrained. See what they did to teamrobot!
from the 2015 review here https://www.pinkbike.com/news/nicolai-mojo-geometron-first-ride-2015.html
Working at Mojo give him the possibility to swap crown assy.
did he not get a gig on a corporate team, and races enduro?what did happen to team robot?
haha. I wish. That's much funnier that what he's actually doing.did he not get a gig on a corporate team, and races enduro?
well what is it then?haha. I wish. That's much funnier that what he's actually doing.
shouldn't keep him from complaining on the internet.did he not get a gig on a corporate team, and races enduro?
haha. I wish. That's much funnier that what he's actually doing.
3 years of acid ala PSPwell what is it then?
noPSP = PlayStationPortable?
likewise. if nothing else it was a different perspective from the usual industry drivel.I guess Sponsel got bored of the stupid comments that, for some reason, never died out? I really never understood the piss-flap nonsense. I just assumed it was a bunch of 14 y.o. fucktards being "funny"...but there may be something I'm missing.
It's a unfortunate he stopped updating it...I really enjoyed his blog.
He's been too busy trying to make thatlikewise. if nothing else it was a different perspective from the usual industry drivel.
trivial hasn't been updated in just as long.
he was advertising/riding for felt I believe?did he not get a gig on a corporate team, and races enduro?
super bummed about this.trivial hasn't been updated in just as long.
PSP on PCP3 years of acid ala PSP
I would assume it will be fixed (seat having to be run slammed forward) in the production version. As I understand, that is a production 650b front end pictured. And the seat needs to end up in the right position, so slanted will probably be necessary with that much travel.Honest question, which might be extrapolated to 27.5 bikes: why do they need to put such irrational seat tube angles in these bikes? wouldn't a more vertical seat tube get them more tire clearance and improve the pedaling position and avoid unneeded ass crack grinding?
Honest question, which might be extrapolated to 27.5 bikes: why do they need to put such irrational seat tube angles in these bikes? wouldn't a more vertical seat tube get them more tire clearance and improve the pedaling position and avoid unneeded ass crack grinding?
The bent nail seat tube angle actually helps with tire clearance at bottom out...if you are trying to keep the saddle at a certain distance behind the BB at a given height. Now, if you just steepen the seat tube angle and allow the saddle to go farther forward, that also helps, but the super slack actual seat tube angle with a lot of offset in front of the BB gives more tire clearance at bottom out than anything else.Honest question, which might be extrapolated to 27.5 bikes: why do they need to put such irrational seat tube angles in these bikes? wouldn't a more vertical seat tube get them more tire clearance and improve the pedaling position and avoid unneeded ass crack grinding?
That's what I was thinking about. The detailed post by Mr. @mtg helped me to understand it finally, but I still find myself wishing for more bikes designed like that Ancilloti, at least in regards to seat tube angles/position.
Ancilloti have a near vertical seat tube on their bikes - so should be nicely between the knees when seat is down and a less 'on the nose' position when climbing.
Looks rather odd though
Yeah, but take for instance this pic of my current steed (Orbea Rallón R4). You can see the seat tube doesn't go past the vertical of the BB before the kink. This leads me to think you could make a vertical or near-vertical ST and still get away with the necessary clearance (sans the kink). In my Orbea this works with short 420mm chainstays and 160mm of rear travel (boostashitted in the last incarnation, but not in my 2015 model).Matt (mtg) and I had a conversation at a race years ago about seat tube angles. We both agreed that a near vertical seat tube would be ideal for keeping the seat in the best for/aft position while raising and lowering it but tire/suspension clearance is the issue. I said the solution is for the industry to adopt 40mm or greater setback seatpost heads as the standard and design frames with forward and near vertical seat tubes. My recollection is that he agreed but we both see that sort of industry wide change being impossible or at least many years away. Also, so much setback is hard on seatpost bushings.
It'll come when droppers get integrated into frames.
Cool question, funnily enough I had two almost identical DH bikes with very different seat angles - the 26" Gambler and the updated 650b model.Honest question, which might be extrapolated to 27.5 bikes: why do they need to put such irrational seat tube angles in these bikes? wouldn't a more vertical seat tube get them more tire clearance, improve the pedaling position and avoid unneeded ass crack grinding?
Yep. I keep asking dropper post manufacturers for offset posts, but they keep making zero offset because of consumer demand as a band aid for the bent nail seat tubes on so many bikes. This is why I design bikes with some amount of recommended saddle offset on the rails. We used to include the saddle offset in the ETT measurement, but it confused too many people.Matt (mtg) and I had a conversation at a race years ago about seat tube angles. We both agreed that a near vertical seat tube would be ideal for keeping the seat in the best for/aft position while raising and lowering it but tire/suspension clearance is the issue. I said the solution is for the industry to adopt 40mm or greater setback seatpost heads as the standard and design frames with forward and near vertical seat tubes. My recollection is that he agreed but we both see that sort of industry wide change being impossible or at least many years away. Also, so much setback is hard on seatpost bushings.
It'll come when droppers get integrated into frames.
The thing is that compared to the dh-hardtail-era the average joe could have probably won a race back then on a IH Sunday but the comparison doesn't work if you bring current dh bikes and possible 29er-dh bikes to the equation. What we are talking here are Milliseconds to seconds - at best.All of Vouilloz's wins should be retroactively given an * to denote that he was on better equipment.
That's what the 29er hate sounds like.