[kidwoo]

IIRC, the Totem had impressive crown overlap on the stanchions as well which helped contribute to a burly chassis. A mate of mine ran one on a Sunday for a couple of year and sent it huge.

I know it doesn't tick the axle requirement, but if you get a chance to do a lap on a Zeb Ultimate give it a go. They're available in 38 or 44mm offset, Torque Cap compatible (yeah yeah, I know), and Vorsprung does both the Smashpot and Secus options if you want moar betterer springs. I didn't expect it to be anything but a heavier Lyrik but it is definitely not the same.

Actually be curious to see if Fox releases a coil 38 under the Marzocchi name eventually.

True story: I bent the steerer on a 1 1/8 totem at the crown press landing way nose heavy on a big rock drop thingy, that's how I know they made tapered versions because that incident scared the shit out of me and I never bought another 1 1/8 steerer single crown ever again


But yeah everything else chassis-wise was solid, very much so.

I've kind of written off newer rockshox forks (obviously) because the last several I've bought have were just kind of lightweight cheap junk that never works as well when new no matter what you replace. I ride a lot less frequently than I used to so that would probably help but I am less inclined to buy one. I have no doubt they feel and work great when new, that's something RS is really really good at. But a new fork plus stevie bits gets kinda pricey at that point and durability should be part of that. I feel pretty confident that there's no way in hell they're as stiff fore/aft as a totem (but then again neither would anything fox makes either)


Basically what I'm saying is: I just want a lighter totem

 

[englertracing]

True story: I bent the steerer on a 1 1/8 totem at the crown press landing way nose heavy on a big rock drop thingy, that's how I know they made tapered versions because that incident scared the shit out of me and I never bought another 1 1/8 steerer single crown ever again


But yeah everything else chassis-wise was solid, very much so.

I've kind of written off newer rockshox forks (obviously) because the last several I've bought have were just kind of lightweight cheap junk that never works as well when new no matter what you replace. I ride a lot less frequently than I used to so that would probably help but I am less inclined to buy one. I have no doubt they feel and work great when new, that's something RS is really really good at. But a new fork plus stevie bits gets kinda pricey at that point and durability should be part of that. I feel pretty confident that there's no way in hell they're as stiff fore/aft as a totem (but then again neither would anything fox makes either)


Basically what I'm saying is: I just want a lighter totem

track down one of chris porters morc 36..

 

[kidwoo]

no

 

[Lelandjt]

If the Totem was so heavy is it really significantly lighter than a 40 or MRP Bartlet? Can't beat a dual crown for stiffness. I never put one on my enduro bike cuz it would add over a pound compared to the 170mm 36 I run, but I may in the future. I'm getting pretty tired of creaking crowns.

 

[iRider]

2889 g for the coil with tapered steerer: https://gewichte.mtb-news.de/product-5601/rock-shox-federgabel-totem-rc2-dh-coil
Back in the day some folks shaved some weight by using a titanium coil spring from a 40 in the Totem. That would cut about 150 g if I remember right.
So unless you are keen on bar spins or ride w/o knee pads a DC fork was always the better option and in the same weight range.

 

[kidwoo]

If the Totem was so heavy is it really significantly lighter than a 40 or MRP Bartlet? Can't beat a dual crown for stiffness. I never put one on my enduro bike cuz it would add over a pound compared to the 170mm 36 I run, but I may in the future. I'm getting pretty tired of creaking crowns.

Stay with me for a sec.....


What would be cool is a totem

but lighter...


You follow?

 

[Flo33]

Stay with me for a sec.....


What would be cool is a totem

but lighter...


You follow?

A 36 with a decent axle, a Smashpot and a proper damper at 2400 g mayhaps?

 

[iRider]

Stay with me for a sec.....


What would be cool is a totem

but lighter...


You follow?

I do. Buy a Zeb at 2300 g.

 

[Lelandjt]

Stay with me for a sec.....


What would be cool is a totem

but lighter...


You follow?

I guess I don't. I'd rather have the 40 or Bartlet, depending on favorite axle size.

 

[Bike078]

W

perhaps I wasn't clear so let me reiterate: I just want a lighter totem





Not a flexy ass lyric, not a modern day disposable two year lifespan fork al la rockshox, a burly ass 40mm stanchion, 180mm travel fork with a reasonable wheel offset

Woo, I know a guy who put a totem on a Kinesis xc hardtail and gave it to his kid to ride. You would have cried if you saw it.

 

[jonKranked]

I guess I don't. I'd rather have the 40 or Bartlet, depending on favorite axle size.

it still blows my mind that 15mm axles were used on the zeb and the 38.

 

[iRider]

it still blows my mind that 15mm axles were used on the zeb and the 38.

 

[Jm_]

If the Totem was so heavy is it really significantly lighter than a 40 or MRP Bartlet? Can't beat a dual crown for stiffness. I never put one on my enduro bike cuz it would add over a pound compared to the 170mm 36 I run, but I may in the future. I'm getting pretty tired of creaking crowns.

But Kidwoo bar spinz!

 

[Nick]

You know, with all of the advances in manufacturing over the last 15 years, I bet RS could take the old Totem and just make it lighter.

I'm kind of surprised none of you have thought of this already. Sheesh.

 

[StiHacka]

it still blows my mind that 15mm axles were used on the zeb and the 38.

Sounds like we need a new front hub standard for that.

 

[jonKranked]

Sounds like we need a new front hub standard for that.

keep an eye on your valve cores.

 

[jonKranked]

You know, with all of the advances in manufacturing over the last 15 years, I bet RS could take the old Totem and just make it lighter.

I'm kind of surprised none of you have thought of this already. Sheesh.

instead we got torque caps.

 

[kidwoo]

W


Woo, I know a guy who put a totem on a Kinesis xc hardtail and gave it to his kid to ride. You would have cried if you saw it.

I would have saluted!

 

[kidwoo]

I guess I don't. I'd rather have the 40 or Bartlet, depending on favorite axle size.

But as you said, you're primarily saying that because of the weight. Sure a fawty would be better but it's the same weight.


But if you had a totem.......that was lighter than a fawty.


So like (picture this) a lighter totem.



















seriously if one more person uses the weight of the previous totems do dismiss them as a response to me saying I'd like a lighter one...........

 

[HardtailHack]

A 36 with a decent axle, a Smashpot and a proper damper at 2400 g mayhaps?

Or a Selva Coil.

EDIT- I would also like a new Totem with 20mm boost to suit 29" wheels, don't care about weight, having the lowers machined correctly so the damper sits parallel to the rest of the fork and shipping with grease in them, that I care about.

The bike industry and its uselessness still amazazes me, now we have 2k forks that need add ons and Loctite, yay!

 

[kidwoo]

Hey you guys! I was just looking at the zeb and I may have to change my stance..

Apparently they have the following features: surprised rebound piston, accounted for damper seal

I had no idea!

 

[Westy]

But as you said, you're primarily saying that because of the weight. Sure a fawty would be better but it's the same weight.


But if you had a totem.......that was lighter than a fawty.


So like (picture this) a lighter totem.

How about a heavier Zeb?

 

[Happymtb.fr]

Or a Selva Coil.

EDIT- I would also like a new Totem with 20mm boost to suit 29" wheels, don't care about weight, having the lowers machined correctly so the damper sits parallel to the rest of the fork and shipping with grease in them, that I care about.

The bike industry and its uselessness still amazazes me, now we have 2k forks that need add ons and Loctite, yay!

The latest Bos Idylle SC has 20mm axle, fits 29" wheels and is unlikely to need any add ons

 

[jonKranked]

Hey you guys! I was just looking at the zeb and I may have to change my stance..

Apparently they have the following features: surprised rebound piston, accounted for damper seal

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I had no idea!

and the same 15mm axle you'll find on XC forks

 

[Adventurous]

and the same 15mm axle you'll find on XC forks

It's really too bad there isn't a standard that's been around for decades that's larger and stouter than the 15mm. Had it existed, they could have used that.

 

[jonKranked]

It's really too bad there isn't a standard that's been around for decades that's larger and stouter than the 15mm. Had it existed, they could have used that.

it was even used on a good fork that just needed to be made lighter.

 

[StiHacka]

it was even used on a good fork that just needed to be made lighter.

Which one?

 

[Westy]

Which one?

I assume some kind of dual crown

 

[HardtailHack]

The latest Bos Idylle SC has 20mm axle, fits 29" wheels and is unlikely to need any add ons

I have a Bos Stoy shock in the spare parts drawer, I bought a new shock rather than trying to get it serviced. Parts didn't really seem to get to Australia often so from what I heard a one year turnaround wasn't out of the ordinary.

 

[Jm_]

You know, with all of the advances in manufacturing over the last 15 years, I bet RS could take the old Totem and just make it lighter.

I'm kind of surprised none of you have thought of this already. Sheesh.

Ahh, so basically make it out of carbon fiber. Springs out of neutronium.

 

[Westy]

Ahh, so basically make it out of carbon fiber. Springs out of neutronium.

Dark energy spring with an aerogel damping system

 

[kidwoo]

Ahh, so basically make it out of carbon fiber. Springs out of neutronium.

unobtanium alloys were looking really promising before the plague

 

[Happymtb.fr]

I have a Bos Stoy shock in the spare parts drawer, I bought a new shock rather than trying to get it serviced. Parts didn't really seem to get to Australia often so from what I heard a one year turnaround wasn't out of the ordinary.

Yes, the future of the customer service from Bos is the big question... wherever you live actually!

The bad period that everyone remembers was apparently linked to an uncontrolled growth of the company with their products on YTs and a lot of rally stuff. Hopefully things have changed now and the company is managed in a better way...?

 

[jackalope]

@kidwoo I have a mate's Zoch 66 that is heavy AF, is a coil (it even has 2 of those helical rascals!) and sports a strong sized axle...may even be able to milk a goldilocks hoop in there.

Actually, I threw it on my Mk1 MT last year in Pisgah and it really is a destroyer of East Coast Rox®, but laughably heavy.

As for the Tote, I had one on my old V10 for a good while and as you said, it was a great chassis. Mine had the solo air spring, which sucked enough balls that RS exchanged my fork for a new one, which I promptly sold as one did with RS/Sram products back then (still?)

 

[jonKranked]

@kidwoo I have a mate's Zoch 66 that is heavy AF, is a coil (it even has 2 of those helical rascals!) and sports a strong sized axle...may even be able to milk a goldilocks hoop in there.

Actually, I threw it on my Mk1 MT last year in Pisgah and it really is a destroyer of East Coast Rox®, but laughably heavy.

As for the Tote, I had one on my old V10 for a good while and as you said, it was a great chassis. Mine had the solo air spring, which sucked enough balls that RS exchanged my fork for a new one, which I promptly sold as one did with RS/Sram products back then (still?)

i too once had a 66. i loved it in the way only a boat anchor can be loved.

 

[kidwoo]

true story: If you bottom out an og 66 you break the damper rod threads because it was designed by a moron

 

[jackalope]

true story: If you bottom out an og 66 you break the threads of the already pretty nonfunctional damper because it was designed by a moron

Fixed!

 

[kidwoo]

Not only that, it's the thing that keeps the uppers attached to the lowers so when it strips you run the risk of your fork sliding off.

All around a great system.

 

[jonKranked]

Not only that, it's the thing that keeps the uppers attached to the lowers so when it strips you run the risk of your fork sliding off.

All around a great system.

mine wasn't OG, but it was coil spring with the air preload via schraeder, which had the added benefit of increasing preload while riding. but thankfully it prevented it from ever bottoming out

 

[kidwoo]

mine wasn't OG, but it was coil spring with the air preload via schraeder, which had the added benefit of increasing preload while riding. but thankfully it prevented it from ever bottoming out

I forgot about the wandering preload setting upon use



they should have spent less money on tits and more money on design