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888sl - the saga continues

Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by Biffff, May 8, 2008.

  1. Biffff

    Biffff Monkey

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    So this is not an SL ATA bash thread, just a means for me to make a decision.
    I love my fork! Very plush, awesome damponning bla bla, but I am noticing that "surprise, surprise" that I'm not getting full travel. Not only that, but over the past month I'm getting less of it. I was getting around 7"s on my local DH trail, now I'm only getting 6.5. I've lowered my sfa and Par pressures with no increase in travel.
    I've studied Renegades PAR fix article on MTBR, and it all sounds good but there's a small issue I have. He did this with a 66 SL, which has air preload on the RC2 side. 888sl ATA's do not have this air valve. At the end of his post he notes that for the 66 you now use the RC2 side air valve for setting preload as the old SFA valve and PAR valve are only used for bottom out. So....if a do this precedure how will I set my pre-load for sag?????
    Has anybody done this to their 2007 888sl ATA's??????
    I don't want to solve one problem and create another.
     
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  2. Curious_George

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    dont use the sentence -the saga continuies-, makes me think of the return of the WU
     
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  3. Nagaredama

    Nagaredama Turbo Monkey

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    If after the fix the PAR and SFA are only used for bottom out what would be the air-spring?
     
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  4. Kanye West

    Kanye West 220# bag of hacktastic

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    Just pop out the PAR and re-assemble the cartridge topped out. Be happy.

    I've done the same mod to my '07 888 SL, my '07 66 SL, and a whole bunch of others too. You don't need to use the right side to set the air preload, it just gives you some more options.
     
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  5. bpatterson6

    bpatterson6 Turbo Monkey

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    I replaced the cart with a new one from Marz. Locked the fork so it's no longer adjustable using the set screw and it's been money ever since.
    I'm getting full travel. No issues. Just go that route.
     
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  6. JRogers

    JRogers talks too much

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    I performed this mod a few weeks ago to my '07 66SL, but haven't been able to get it on the trail yet. Do you have any recommendations on pressures, baselines or setup for a PAR-less 66?
     
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  7. Biffff

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    Did they warranty it?or did you have to buy it?
    I have no wind down issues as I locked it out at 200mm too. Just the full travel issue.
     
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  8. Kanye West

    Kanye West 220# bag of hacktastic

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    75-80ish if you weigh 150-180#.

    Just pop out the PAR. It's simple, reversible, and gets you acquainted with the innards of the fork.
     
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  9. bpatterson6

    bpatterson6 Turbo Monkey

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    Warranty.
     
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  10. zahgurim

    zahgurim Underwater monkey

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    I had the same problem with my 888SL, and finally just fixed it. Was losing travel, but it wasn't the ATA as I had fixed that problem earlier.

    Was losing 2 to 5 mm's every ride, and it finally got bad enough that I took her off and replaced with my Avy from the big bike. Took it apart to see what the problem was.

    You most likely have oil in the air cart, due to some seeping past a seal.
    Take your air cart right apart, drain the oil. Inspect seals.
    Put it back together in the top-out position with or without the PAR. I kept mine, but am now getting full travel. :)
    When reassembling uppers/lowers, put just enough oil in the left leg to lube the bushings when held upside down before riding, and you shouldn't have that problem again.

    I'm happy, my fork feels sweet again.
    The 888SL feels great, when everything is working on it.
     
  11. Kanye West

    Kanye West 220# bag of hacktastic

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    You need to have some small amount of lubricating oil inside the ATA cartridge as well. Unless you like it feeling like garbage after the first good ride on it.
     
  12. Biffff

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    So if I take the cartridge right out of the fork, then seperate the PAR assembly from the air cartridge (ala renegades instructions) Then just put it back together this should solve my problem? Making sure to dump the same quantity of oil that leaked out the bottom back into the top of the fork when I'm done?????
    I'm a little paranoid as I'm going to Bromont next weekend and I don't want to screw my fork up. I also want full travel. I do have a 66 I could run if I feck the 888 up so I might give er a go this weekend.
     
  13. Renegade

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    Remove the PAR piston as others here have recommended, drain any excess oil out of the cartridge as recommended. and rock it. You will not screw up your fork.
     
  14. JRogers

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    Word. I followed this man's instructions and it went fine. It's very easy once you have the thing open and can see what's what.
     
  15. Biffff

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    Thanks for the vote of confidence!!!!! I'm on it this weekend.
     
  16. Biffff

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    update: PAR is gone, and a shat load of oild drained out of the cartridge. The procedure was easy and straight forward as promised. A good bunny hop and slam of the fork produced 7.3"s of travel out in the driveway. I can't wait to get it out on the trail.

    Thanks for the help!

    cheers
     
  17. knax

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    i`m suspecting that somehow oil is creeping into the ata cardridge on my 888. when deflating my fork, a significant amount of oil spills out, although i can`t remember putting that much oil into the cardridge when i was taking out the par piston (just a few drops for lubrification).
    the point is, i can´t figure out how this should happen. there`s no air leakage and the cardridge is under pressure, so how does oil get past the seals :confused:
    any idea how i can fix this problem?