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A little more 2010 Glory headangle info

Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by leprechaun, Dec 16, 2009.

  1. leprechaun

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    Fellow Monkeys,

    We here at Go-Ride have now had the opportunity to build and measure a few 2010 Glorys and have found the bikes to be about 1 degree slacker than the originally spec'd 65.5 degrees.

    EK Rippers bike with a 2010 Boxxer and Highroller tires is 64.5-64.2 depending on how high the crowns are set (max214/min205).

    2010 Glory 1's need a bit of help out of the box! The medium comes with too many spacers under the crown, and has 190mm of stanction showing. Once the spacers are removed, and the tall cone spacer is left in there is plenty of room (see EK'a specs above).

    Large Glory 1's come with a taller headtube, no spcacers aside from the tall cone spacer. Exactly 200mm of stanction is exposed with the top crown at max height. 64.8 head angle. A shorter headset upper bearing cap out of another headset might be a good idea, and a way to get the head angle to 64.5

    Now, i have no interest in silly arguments. I'm just trying to straighten things out. I didn't take pics of myself with an anglefinder in my hand but i have measured countless bikes on the same floor in the shop with the same anglefinder, both ways and averaged them. We compared with an iphone to get very close numbers (the iphone came out slacker by 1/4 degree)

    More info.

    EK's bike with 2.5 HR UST, and the crown set low, BB 14.25. Crowns set at max, 14.375. Those tires get taller by the day with Stans sealant in them.

    Glory 1 with 2.5 Michelins, crown set low, 14.375 (tires are taller than the Maxxis)

    Since the BB isn't crazy low the tall cone spacer will probably be fine, handlebar height wise. However for shorter folk a $30 headset purchase to steal the top bearing cap might come in handy.

    Is 64.5 slack enough for you? That is for you to decide.

    Krispy
     

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  2. Sandwich

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    So, did I read correctly that you've measured other bikes in the same method, and they all came out to roughly their listed angles? I'm just wondering if other bikes rake out when actually kitted up and ready to go.

    That new glory should be a really popular frame though.
     
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    If you mean other brands, they often vary some from the specs, sometimes steeper, sometimes slacker.
     
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    cool...just wondering what the general consensus was...if every measured angle is slightly slacker, that says something, but if they vary significantly, than that's cool.

    Thanks for doing the write up
     
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    Interesting read - may well have helped the Glory climb up the list of possible replacements for my current Glory
     
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    Good luck finding one. the wait was too long for me so I ended up picking up a used 09.
     
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    Here's a pic of the cone spacer, on a Reign X (same headset)



    Here's my headset with the low stack top bearing cap i swapped off my 09 Reign X

     
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    We have people flying in to SLC to pick them up!
     
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    So what is the bottom bracket height and head angle measurement when properly sprung with a fully kitted, 175lb DH rider wearing a carbon D2 (not D3), a loin cloth and approximately 26PSI in the tires. This all assumes that the air temperature is above 65 degrees so that the tires are not underinflated due to the cold.

    Also, was that a pre-ridden or pre-seated Michelin DH tire? They "expand" you know and this could drasticly alter head angle if the tire has not expanded as yet.

    Last, what is the approximate angle of attack of the above rider assuming the rider is 5'10", has a 30" inseam, but relatively long arms? After all, if this bike is made for short armed, 34" inseamed, long legged riders, then the bike would carry more weight over the front, meaning the head angle would be drasticly different!!

    Need more info!!!
     
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    I dunno. I'm short, with comparatively short arms and still ride old school with my ass on my tire regardless of ambient air temperature.
     
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    ughh i have 6 on order.... cant wait any longer. blahhhhhh
     
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    How do sizes compare with last year? I heard the new smalls were tiny?
    5'8" rode the med. last season but, small felt good too. Just wondering
    which one since the new Med. grew an inch or so top tube.
    Eh Dennis what are you guys rollin? Glory 0 frames or the Glory 1?
    What sizes are you guys rippin' Med.
     
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    just FYI on the differences as well, most companies have a weld precision of +/- 0.5 degrees. so theoretically, a bike with a (claimed) 64 degree head angle, could be as slack as 63.5, or as steep at 64.5 depending on which one you get off the assembly line.

    -KT
     
  14. JCL

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    Exactly. Measure a few others and see what they come out at.

    The one we had on demo was 65 dead with the stanchions dropped to the limit. The BB was 14.6". It was a absolute pile of crap. Everyone who rode it couldn't wait to get off it and two crashed it. We ghosted it over the dirt jumps at the end of the day LOL.
     
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    Just wondering JCL is there anything...anything at all that you actually like???:butcher:
     
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    Yo! we are repping the Glory 0 Frame, On my list i have 3 mediums and 3 larges! FYI ill be on the medium and im 5'10"-5'11". Gavin which is our smallest rider i think at 5'8" will be rippin the medium as well.
     
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    This is a fantastic post. I sincerely enjoyed reading every word.
     
  18. JCL

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    DH bikes ?

    Well the only two I'd actually part with cash for are a Demo 8 or a Mondraker Summum. I think it's hard to argue against them being the best bikes on the market at their respective price points. I also think the Lapierre 920 and Banshee Legend look good but haven't ridden either.
     
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    thanks for posting this info, Krispy. Any comments on the turning radius w/ the boxxer/glory? that nsmb review commented on the 1.5 flared headtube limiting the range of motion with the relatively narrow-crowned boxxer, but the previous generation of glorys had the same head tube as i recall, and i've seen plenty of those with boxxers and no complaints from their owners.
     
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    Oh. That explains alot. :nope:
    No, what he was really asking was "what bike do you show up at the trail on and immediately tout the praises of to the crowd of guys who are already at the entrance of the trail staring back at you waiting on you to get your settings dialed?"
     
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    Did you try to lower the crowns so that the head angle was 65? And if so, how many people got buried under the wave of fire breathing toads that erupted out of the ground?
     
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    I'd be more worried about the chupacabras.
     
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    HAHAHA i went to my local pet store and there was this tiny ass dog and the lady told me it was 70% chupacabra. i just agreed to her hahaha.
     
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    Hmm, I ordered a medium and I am 6ft. How can a medium fit the both of you 5,8 and 5 11? maybe i should have gone large?
     
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    not to get off the original topic but i am in the same boat on sizing ?'s , a friend that owns my local shop is giving me a very nice price on either a glory 0 or 1 but he isnt going to stock any. so at about 5'7'' i dont know what to have him order, a small or medium? if any of you guys out there are on the shorter side and have actually ridden or sized up on one your input would be greatly appreciated because it seems i could go either way. thanks in advance
     
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    daisy, the other guys on the team that are riding the large are 6'2-6'7" and i believe alex is 6'0 or 6'1" and he is on a medium, but tham again he likes the smaller frame size since he came from BMX. the large on me is a limo and thats what alex said it felt like as well. but remember this is 09 sizing.

    TNT-
    2010 mediums have an extra 1 inch in top tube length over 09. so if your 5'7 id look into a small. let me do some research and see what i find for you. but most likely a small would be best for you. but than again it depends on your riding style... may i ask what bike you are riding now and what stem?
     
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    The reason I picked the med is its down tube length matches my current frame, a small sinister f-bomb. I got the measurement from a post on RM, which measured from the center of the bb to the top center of the head tube.

    I'm Gavin the 5'8" guy mentioned above. I would compare past rides to the 10 glory to pick your size. Maybe the original poster can measure down tubes of a small, medium, and large.

    I picked the dt length as the key measurement because its directly measuring the distance between your bars and feet.
     
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    yeaaa Gbaby in the house ahaha,

    TNT your right on the bubble, see if you can get a hold of giant (if not i can) and ask them about their sticker frame sizing and see where your at.
     
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    been riding a borrowed older iron horse sgs med. honestly never measured the stem , just went out and made the best i could out of the rides.
     
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    The Glory is such a great bike! I hope my new M6 can stand up to amazing ride the glory gave..

    Otherwise its an order for the new Glory for sure!
     
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    Being opinionated doesn't mean that you can't ride, are a fan boy or a newb, nor does it mean that you are wrong.

    Edit: Thanks Krispy.
     
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    has any one posted reach and stack measurements of the 2010 glory sizes? I am sure that would be an great reference. perhaps it could even find its way onto the giant site. paging mr. riffle or mr. yuroshek:phone:

    i would buy anything Chupacabra, though i prefer genuine Puerto Rican Chupacabra...

    hold on
    why,hasnt Chupacabra become PinkShirt's new nickname,
    i mean it litterally means "goat sucker." fvcking perfect.
     
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    Team bikes slacker than production bikes?
     
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    Did You notice how much higher Jared's front wheel is?!
     
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    someone should mesh them together on photoshop...
     
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    i like the blue sooo much better than the silver...
     
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    Best I could do. I aligned them by the front hub and resized to make the wheels match size the best I coudl, but since both pictures aren't at the same angle it's pretty much a waste though.
     
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    Little bump for this thread as it's been a hot-button topic for people.

    I saw this upcoming item that could make a bit of difference. If you plug it into this calculator, the bikes numbers get closer to what everyone's wanting. (Griping about.)
     
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    ill be getting a prototype Works headset for the glory within the next 2 weeks. stay tuned...
     
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    Please do keep us posted yuro. I'm pretty stoked with the geo of mine right now but I've only had the bike since sept. and all the steep stuff here was closed by then. So, down the road I could see wanting that maybe. As of late the only riding to do is driving to Bootleg and the Fontana winter series. Neither of which is really a problem with the stock HA obviously.