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Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by luelling, Apr 24, 2007.

  1. luelling

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  2. Bicyclist

    Bicyclist Turbo Monkey

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    Drugs: totally someone's choice.

    Identity theft: turn 'em in. Some family friends had their identities stolen and they were screwed. It really financially messed them up because they had just moved into their new house.
     
  3. luelling

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    I have an awesome credit score and I'm also afraid that they, knowing that, would try and snag my ID. I swear if they did I would be at their house with a bat. The whole thing pisses me off. What makes the situation hard is that one of the people involved is family. Don't give a s*** about this person, but it might cause a rift.....I would prefer to provide the information with agreement no one knows who it comes from.
     
  4. blue

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    Dood...RM is poor choice of a conscience/life counselour/therapist...have you considered using the MTBr Passion board?
     
  5. Bicyclist

    Bicyclist Turbo Monkey

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    That's a tricky situation. If it were me I'd cover my own ass and do the right thing at the same time, but anonymously like you said. Maybe find out who to talk to and make an agreement that it'll be on the DL before you say anything?
     
  6. luelling

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    I think I may go that route. I don't even want to give my name (anonymous leaks tend to the trend in the press).

    As far as being the wrong place to ask this question...doesn't it make it more interesting? I air out some big problems and take input......and I don't do it under a handle so I'm not full of s***. I have friends I've known for a long time on this board.
     
  7. sanjuro

    sanjuro Tube Smuggler

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    This is quite a dilemma, to rat out someone who doing something horrible but is not affecting you at all.

    Frankly, I would not associate with these people or anyone who is associating with these people. Maybe you don't rat them out, but involving yourself in any way is a bad idea.

    I have an acquaintance who deals pot out of his house. I won't go over there because the people I see around his home look like meth heads, and I don't want to be there for the big bust when it comes (which was coincidentally enough, last Sunday after this guy did a hit-n-run after drinking up a storm).
     
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    I don't talk to them, but association will happen because of how close of family they are. I'm going to "rat"...although I really disagree with that term. I didn't go to college for five years and get a degree and two minors to have some a hole screw that up for me.

    So here is the next problem, I know their names, and the general area they live and i have good idea at what they are doing. Is that enough? I don't have a specific address and they both have small time warrants out for their arrest. The Oregon legislature recently passed some ten year prison sentence for identity thieves, so that would put them away for a while.

    Any cops on here offer advice? Do you go to the local police or the FBI? I'm not tech on my crimes. Do I need more information?
     
  9. Rip

    Rip Mr. Excitement

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    In cases like this, I like the saying, "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead." Report it.
     
  10. BuddhaRoadkill

    BuddhaRoadkill I suck at Tool

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    Paging Manimal, Manimal to the front desk please.

    You might be able to get them on warrants, but I would think the coppers would want some kind of evidence - or want you to get them the evidence. It's those damn Russians up in Woodburn. Small fee and they'll print you off whatever you need. Hell, for a large fee they will sell you the machine to do it yourself. All they need is a SS# and the name to go with it. Seriously F'd up.

    Ratting is the right thing to do, just cover your ass. No good deed goes unpunished and all that. Being "family", they won't just dissapear. They'll be back in your life at some point. Best of luck to ya. :thumb: for stepping up.
     
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    No question here, turn them in.
     
  12. TN

    TN Hey baby, want a hot dog?

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    :rofl:
     
  13. stevew

    stevew unique white person

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    Just in case you are tempted to ask this question on here, yes you should wipe after you drop a deuce. And ignore what Sheryl Crow says and use as much TP as you like.
     
  14. TreeSaw

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    I would definitely turn them in...no question!
     
  15. Nick

    Nick My name is Nick

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    absolutely, report them.

    If I was in your shoes and knew what they were doing but did nothing about it, I think I would feel too guilty to NOT report it. Imagine their next victim being your grandmother.
     
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    Definitely turn them in. No question about it.
     
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    BurlyShirley Rex Grossman Will Rise Again

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    Have you considered blackmail?
     
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    Having seen what an f'ing disaster it is for the folks getting their identity swiped (my assistant and my mother-in-law), I say go over to their house and beat them to death with your bat.

    If you are too much of a coward to do that, turn 'em in.
     
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    dhbuilder jingoistic xenophobe

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    burn em.
     
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    I'd do it...

    Tom
     
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    If you're worried about them messing with your ID in retaliation, go out and buy some ID theft insurance before you do it.
     
  22. Slugman

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    By not turning them in your are allowing them to screw over and steal from people. Turn them in, or accept that you are helping the criminals.
     
  23. sunny

    sunny Grammar Civil Patrol

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    Wow. I would not have expected this from you. :(

    luelling,

    My car was broken into in a parking lot right after a trip last year and all my ID stolen (two separate bags with drivers license, military ID, soc sec card, passport, all credit cards, etc.) I've done everything I can to protect myself, but still wonder if my info is just sitting on a desk awaiting activation...

    If you do not report them, shame on you.

    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
     
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    sunny Grammar Civil Patrol

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    This is really it.

    If you know something going on is wrong and do nothing about it, you either become a silent accomplice, or you set yourself up to become it's next victim by allowing evil to flourish.

    Time to define yourself.
     
  25. MikeD

    MikeD Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists

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    The DMV of the state you're in, plus the Secret Service and/or FBI will appreciate the anonymous tip.
     
  26. Total Heckler

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    Any identity theft stuff is considered terrorism. Thank you Patriot Act. If you turn them in, they will be pretty screwed.

    I say you should do it.
     
  27. brungeman

    brungeman I give a shirt

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    I would say this is a perfect time to step up and protect others!

    OH...

    and make sure you post links to the "News articles" when they get arrested!:thumb:
     
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    MikeD Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists

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    This sounds like a line from Arrested Development... "Anything said in a mock trial is admissible in a real trial. Haven't you read the Patriot Act?"

    By the way, what the hell are you talking about? I mean, specifically?

    MD
     
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    Total Heckler Beer and Bike Enthusiast

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    MikeD Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists

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    So how does any of that result in all ID theft being equated to terrorism, or even increased punishment for ID theft under the Patriot Act?

    18 USC 1028(A) is actually the killer fed statute for ID theft; it mandates a minimum 2 years jail time for using another person's ID in connection with a bunch of other crimes. Now, lots of people commit ID theft of different types for different purposes and never get hit with that statute, mind you, but it's there in the prosecutor's toolbox. Often, if it's charged, it's intended to be a tool in a plea bargain...admit everything else, and we'll drop the 1028(A) piece.

    (note, 1028(A) is a separate statute from 18 USC 1028, a general ID fraud statute, which has a subsection (a). Clear as mud? )
     
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    Hey luelling - the more I think about this I ask myself why you even needed to think about it.

    These people screw up other people's lives and cause major greif.

    If you do not report them, you might as well be the one doing it.
     
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    It's mostly I remember the president saying something along those lines of it being terrorism. But then again, what isn't these days.
     
  33. H8R

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    Report them.

    BUT...

    Before the cops get there, TP their house. Then take pics. Send the pics to Sheryl Crow with a note that says "go fvck yourself you leathery bitch".


    :D
     
  34. rustywoodstone

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    What this guy said plus see if you can make some money off the cop's for being a snich.