does anybody know what is this ? looks as though they redesigned the bike (or could it be a new model?).
same, but i read a review on the faith1 in DIRT, and they LOVED it.pntballpunk51 said:http://www.bikemagic.com/news/article.asp?UAN=4278
supposively it isolates all outside forces (pedaling, braking, etc.) and it has a vertical axle-path
I sat on the Trance at work with the Maestro link but it felt like ****.
sama1ter said:same, but i read a review on the faith1 in DIRT, and they LOVED it.
the way they did that is hidious compared to teh DW link, the proto's were much better, but im sure they infringed some patents
ive found dirt to be one of the best magazines for reading actual articles, much better than MBA.vitox said:dirt ALWAYS loves all bikes, i say get your facts elsewhere.
and yea that thing looks awful but im sure the bike as a whole wont suffer that much from it aesthetically.
maybe dw will exlain if it really was a patent issue although from what i understand thats not necessarily so, it can look extremely similar but still not infringe on any patents.
pntballpunk51 said:It's the new Giant with the maestro link. I heard they are offering it in the maestro link model and a single pivot model.
thanks, i want to get on one to see how it feels, but the faith just has a little too much metal on the front triangle for meJm_ said:The Faith, Trance, Reign and the new DH bike have the "maestro" system. This is one of the best suspension designs I've ever ridden. It takes away some of the big deficiancies of the FSR design, and doesn't seem to have any negatives. It absorbs all impacts very well, it uses it's travel very efficiantly, it pedals amazingly, all in all it lives up to the hype and claims. I've ridden quite a few Trances and Reigns, and I've been impressed. Far better than most suspension designs out there.
i think thats a good point. possibly some bracing in that area in case of impacts. or possibly put the shock at more of an angle (the bottom mount in the space between the seat tube and down tube on the BB) but otherwise it looks pretty good.AR_ said:Just me who thinks putting something really important (IE the lower shock mount) potentially in the way of big rocks etc is a STUPID idea?
Now i know you can argue it's pretty far up, and it's unlikely you'll hit it.. but i've smacked a few bikes around that area off all sorts of random trail objects.. and once you're going over 10mph the results ain't pretty..
that kid has no idea what he's talking about. he's probably just pissed cus daddy wouldn't buy him a demo9.don't hit me... but does the faith have maestro, bc one of the kids at the gravity camp had it this year and he says it was the worst frame design hes ever had... granted he was 16 so hopefully he hasnt had many
Look at the picture, the bottom bracket is much more in the way of big rocks....AR_ said:Just me who thinks putting something really important (IE the lower shock mount) potentially in the way of big rocks etc is a STUPID idea?
u try adjusting the shock? no bike is meant to be just hopped on and ridden. but yeah everyone has different tastezmtber said:yeha plus he faith is a bit heavy for what it is an i didn't really like the may it rides but you might think different
wierd i've been riding mountain bikes for 12 years and i don't ever remember hitting anything in that area. this crazy thing called a bottom bracked usually gets in the way.AR_ said:Just me who thinks putting something really important (IE the lower shock mount) potentially in the way of big rocks etc is a STUPID idea?
Now i know you can argue it's pretty far up, and it's unlikely you'll hit it.. but i've smacked a few bikes around that area off all sorts of random trail objects.. and once you're going over 10mph the results ain't pretty..
Yeah, if you are catching that on a rock, you've like done something dreadfully wrong.Jm_ said:Look at the picture, the bottom bracket is much more in the way of big rocks....
dogwonder said:Yeah, if you are catching that on a rock, you've like done something dreadfully wrong.
I still don't like it though. I'm concerned about high speeds through loose gravel (think work roads). It doesn't take too many hits by a softball sized hunk of granite to smash the shock mount. And I have enough dings on my downtube to know this happens.
Jm_ said:Look at the picture, the bottom bracket is much more in the way of big rocks....
dante said:you'd think they could at least set up the chainguide right...
I think that if you land straight down on any part of the bike, you'll break it. Doesn't really matter where or what it is.AR_ said:Not when you land straight down on them! I'l show you a picture of a dent (Well, more like collapse, it's huge) in my friends downtube.. i'l see if you think it's still safe then..
AR_ said:Not when you land straight down on them! I'l show you a picture of a dent (Well, more like collapse, it's huge) in my friends downtube.. i'l see if you think it's still safe then..
That's a bunch of bologna, there is no such thing as a design that "isolates all forces".pntballpunk51 said:http://www.bikemagic.com/news/article.asp?UAN=4278
supposively it isolates all outside forces (pedaling, braking, etc.) and it has a vertical axle-path
I sat on the Trance at work with the Maestro link but it felt like ****.
Exactly...and the current Giant DH models are prone to suspension impacts as well with their linkage placements.Jm_ said:Look at the picture, the bottom bracket is much more in the way of big rocks....