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$tinkle

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but better than 9/10 "approve"? do they not know their own employment rate compared to other races? and a democrat congress has been in power since '06. if i didn't know any better (i do), i'd say current democrat policies are ineffective at reducing this yawning gap. (to put the blame elsewhere could reasonably be misconstrued as racist)

but, this doesn't seem to drive their base too far from the plantation, no?

wake up, black america!



srsly, wake up. it's 2:30 in the afternoon.
 

$tinkle

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Ah yes, those stupid naggers just don't know what's good for them...
think about it like this: just *how* different are obama & bush in their accomplishments (vice rhetoric)? the difference is nearly asymmetric in polling numbers, yet their lifestyles are no better, and perhaps a little worse off today, if unemployment, debt, home ownership, incarceration, education, and any other relevant measure used. possibly these are just short term "growing pains", and dr mlk jr's dream is soon to be fulfilled?

so let me put it to you: what's "good for them", that's being accomplished, projected, or earmarked today that wasn't being done under dubya?

i'm much more inclined to believe what profro stated, but you know that already.
 

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What is Michael Steele's approval rating among blacks?

Edit:
Im not disagreeing with your premise... that answer is obvious.
 
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So let me get this straight...

Blacks traditionally vote Democratic 91-92% of the time.
Currently 91% of blacks approve of a Democratic administration.

OMFG, run for the hills, it's a huge conspiracy!!!! :panic:

edit: Actually, Gore got 90%, Kerry got 89%, Obama got 95%. So should be "89-95% of the time"....
 
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$tinkle

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So let me get this straight...

Blacks traditionally vote Democratic 91-92% of the time.
Currently 91% of blacks approve of a Democratic administration.

OMFG, run for the hills, it's a huge conspiracy!!!! :panic:

edit: Actually, Gore got 90%, Kerry got 89%, Obama got 95%. So should be "89-95% of the time"....
first: vote != approval rating. you'd think they'd track similarly, but they don't.

but why is that? i can see voting for the party that's widely labeled as for "the little guy" (i.e., racial/socio-economic minority), but when the guy is still little year after year, you'd think they'd change horses. unless, of course, they like being kept down by the man, which is overly cynical.

oh, & i doubt polling numbers tracked like this during clinton (twice as many blacks approve as overall approve), but of course don't have the data. even if clinton was the actual first black president.
 

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first: vote != approval rating. you'd think they'd track similarly, but they don't.

but why is that? i can see voting for the party that's widely labeled as for "the little guy" (i.e., racial/socio-economic minority), but when the guy is still little year after year, you'd think they'd change horses. unless, of course, they like being kept down by the man, which is overly cynical.
Yeah, that'd be like blacks in the 1960s getting fed up with the civil rights movement not working fast enough, so they're just going to side with the Klan instead. No offence, but when one of the parties is known for putting out songs like "Barack the Magic Negro" and "raghead" is part of the GOP's lexicon, I highly doubt that black's (or any minorities) are going to head over there just because the Democrats are having a hard time getting over the GOP's roadblocks.
 

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Yeah, that'd be like blacks in the 1960s getting fed up with the civil rights movement not working fast enough, so they're just going to side with the Klan instead. No offence, but when one of the parties is known for putting out songs like "Barack the Magic Negro" and "raghead" is part of the GOP's lexicon, I highly doubt that black's (or any minorities) are going to head over there just because the Democrats are having a hard time getting over the GOP's roadblocks.
i think we can agree the civil rights movement culminated in the CRA of '64, which was voted in favor of by more republicans than democrats by percentage. to appreciate the irony, recall republicans were the minority party of both chambers at the time. the majority of the opposition was by democrats (3:1). doesn't that puzzle you?

and if we want to talk music & lyrics...do i have to go full tipper on you? of the misogyny merchants out there, what party do you expect them to more likely affiliate?

so tell me: what have democrats done that republicans opposed that has significantly - not symbolically - increased the general welfare of the black population? if you can answer that, or give what the perceived answer is, then i could understand such strident loyalty to the party, and this president.
 

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i think we can agree the civil rights movement culminated in the CRA of '64, which was voted in favor of by more republicans than democrats by percentage. to appreciate the irony, recall republicans were the minority party of both chambers at the time. the majority of the opposition was by democrats (3:1). doesn't that puzzle you?
Nah because he probably knows that the CRA was called for by a democratic president and that all the racist dixiecrat motherfvckers who skewed those numbers switched parties shortly after. They knew where the tides were turning and where they belonged.

I can see where you on the other hand might be confused if you weren't aware of that kind of thing.


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so tell me: what have democrats done that republicans opposed that has significantly - not symbolically - increased the general welfare of the black population?
Tell me this never improved the life of a minority.

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While not so legislative, Tipper Gore and the good ole PMRC got those explicit language warning labels on that new genre of music that translated into teenagese as "buy this now" :D

I know Regan's fictional welfare queen visuals certainly helped kick those lazy bastards in the ass and made'em get to work! Fvck yeah!
 
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Nah because he probably knows that the CRA was called for by a democratic president and that all the racist dixiecrat motherfvckers who skewed those numbers switched parties shortly after. They knew where the tides were turning and where they belonged.
so you're saying the majority of 112 democrat congressmen who voted against it switched parties shortly after? how has this "fact" escaped common knowledge? today if just 1 guy switches everyone's all atwitter. you'd think we would have grown accustomed to this bawdy behaviour by now

just one approval here:


i'll keep byrd in my hip pocket for the next volley
Tell me [AA] never improved the life of a minority.
yep, nothing improves someone's life like having a rampant philosophy that says "in spite of dr king's words, we know you really can't accomplish anything w/o the help of the white man's exceptionalism" <removes pick so he can pat silly negro on head rather affirmingly>

i'll readily admit this "improvement" cannot be improved upon any further. but we already beat that horse. he won't run away no more.
I know Regan's fictional welfare queen visuals certainly helped kick those lazy bastards in the ass and made'em get to work! Fvck yeah!
one more crack like that, & i'll go full palin & smite you w/ the mighty hand of ron
 

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oh, this: Rep. Paul Kanjorski says his plan helps 'good American people,' not 'minorities' or 'defective' people
Who would ever want federal government programs helping "minorities" or people who are "defective" in some unacceptable way? Government assistance, as everyone knows, should go instead to "average, good American people."

Like the ones Pennsylvania's Rep. Paul Kanjorski has in mind. The 73-year-old Democratic House member was arguing this week in a joint House-Senate conference committee session for national expansion of a government assistance program to help financially beleaguered families avoid foreclosure on their homes.

He made his case that the money was not being wasted on defective people or minorities or those who had been imprudent. "They are not minorities," the congressman said, "and they're not defective, and they're not all the things you like to insinuate that these programs are about. These are average, good American people."
and by that he means white people.

so you know we're all in the schit now
 

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so you're saying the majority of 112 democrat congressmen who voted against it switched parties shortly after? how has this "fact" escaped common knowledge? today if just 1 guy switches everyone's all atwitter. you'd think we would have grown accustomed to this bawdy behaviour by now
Not all but certainly some. But you can't really pretend that the parties then existed as they do now (you know with most of the xenophobic, racist freaks existing as a wholly owned subsidiary of the whitey right). It's much more clear these days.


yep, nothing improves someone's life like having a rampant philosophy that says "in spite of dr king's words, we know you really can't accomplish anything w/o the help of the white man's exceptionalism" <removes pick so he can pat silly negro on head rather affirmingly>
So how do you feel about veterans' preference in federal jobs? Hate that too? Both groups exist here because some richer, more powerful group wanted some work done and didn't want to do it themselves. (at least in our day and age when 'noble' wars only exist in history books).

I had some 'elders' around me growing up in the south (some related, most not) who had their fair share of lunch counter-esque stories. Might be hard to imagine in 2010 here but hell yes whitey needed a slap upside the head and get some soul in the workforce. Sorry. You're never going to convince me it's a condescending move when doors of all kinds were shut on an entire sect of population for years. Your argument rests on the fallacy that educational opportunities and the like were even and that failure to succeed was due soley on the individual's own shortcomings. In a lot of cases they weren't.
 
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$tinkle

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So how do you feel about veterans' preference in federal jobs? Hate that too? Both groups exist here because some richer, more powerful group wanted some work done and didn't want to do it themselves. (at least in our day and age when 'noble' wars only exist in history books).
unlike AA, vet preference isn't designed to be phased out eventually. i really hope i'm wrong about that, being both white & a veteran (i even have a 10% "disability" which avails me to jump the line in some circumstances)
I had some 'elders' around me growing up in the south (some related, most not) who had their fair share of lunch counter-esque stories. Might be hard to imagine in 2010 here but hell yes whitey needed a slap upside the head and get some soul in the workforce. Sorry. You're never going to convince me it's a condescending move when doors of all kinds were shut on an entire sect of population for years. Your argument rests on the fallacy that educational opportunities and the like were even and that failure to succeed was due soley on the individual's own shortcomings. In a lot of cases they weren't.
agreed about the past.
you know where east palatka is? putnam county. it was the poorest in the state when i "summered" there growing up & went to school for a brief time.
so i, too, received "wisdom" from the ancients about a bygone era.

but it's 20-backflippin-10, no longer a bygone era

i forget what we were on about: something about me hating black people, i'm sure
 

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$stinkle = logic fail

Rep Kanjorski was simply(and clearly) pointing out the overt prejudices and misconceptions promoted by the GOP. He just worded it poorly. If you watch and listen to what he said, you'd know that.

Also, the word is Democratic. The word Democrat is not used as an adjective in proper English. It's an obvious cheap dig.
Either learn proper English or we'll do with you what the GOP would do with our ESL citizens.
 

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What happens when you have two equally qualified candidtates for a job...one has Vet preference, the other is a minority?
 

$tinkle

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What happens when you have two equally qualified candidtates for a job...one has Vet preference, the other is a minority?
give it to both of them, but pay the minority to stay home, duh
$stinkle = logic fail

Rep Kanjorski was simply(and clearly) pointing out the overt prejudices and misconceptions promoted by the GOP. He just worded it poorly. If you watch and listen to what he said, you'd know that.
so he pointed it out clearly, but he worded it poorly? logic fail, indeed.

i must've missed overt prejudices and misconceptions pumped out by the gop at the last klan meeting. did you get a copy of the minutes?
Also, the word is Democratic. The word Democrat is not used as an adjective in proper English. It's an obvious cheap dig.
Either learn proper English or we'll do with you what the GOP would do with our ESL citizens.
welcome home, son

 

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yep, nothing improves someone's life like having a rampant philosophy that says "in spite of dr king's words, we know you really can't accomplish anything w/o the help of the white man's exceptionalism" <removes pick so he can pat silly negro on head rather affirmingly>
So you're saying the existence of AA makes you so prejudiced in your assumption that minorities are underqualified for their roles, that your prejudice outweighs the benefit to the minority of leveling the field of opportunity?
 

$tinkle

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So you're saying the existence of AA makes you so prejudiced in your assumption that minorities are underqualified for their roles, that your prejudice outweighs the benefit to the minority of leveling the field of opportunity?
don't say minorities when you mean blacks

and then re-read every opinion i threw up on toshi's AA & asians thread, if need be
 

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So you're saying the existence of AA makes you so prejudiced in your assumption that minorities are underqualified for their roles, that your prejudice outweighs the benefit to the minority of leveling the field of opportunity?
It's like a mobius strip of racism.
 

ohio

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don't say minorities when you mean blacks

and then re-read every opinion i threw up on toshi's AA & asians thread, if need be
Blacks and latinos, thus "minorities." But we can keep it to blacks if simplifying the situation makes it easier for you.

I read your posts in the AA thread. Do you agree with the following statement? "Affirmative action contributes to racial prejudice because it reinforces the notion that minorities (blacks) need an unfair advantage in order to compete or succeed."

(feel free to make edits to get it exactly right)
 

$tinkle

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"Affirmative action contributes to racial prejudice because it reinforces the notion that minorities (blacks) need an unfair advantage in order to compete or succeed."

i'd say it contributes to racial prejudice in the fact that it's arbitrary (recent afrikaners & carribeaner immigrants are just as entitled as proper long-rooted blacks), but at the same time i'd have to admit this cost has (perhaps?) been outweighed by the benefits of opportunity. if AA continues &/| expands, i believe that will further divide the races by creating a damaging co-dependency, if it hasn't already. i can't see how continuing to tell black people they need preference points to compete with whites - or asians - will bring about healing.

my main problem - and it does relate to this thread, trust me - is the fact there has been real progress, and yet the huddling of the voters to the dem party - & more stridently to this president - appears (to my white eyes, anyway) not to be representative of the accomplishments made with the effort & support of both parties.

put another way: look at both the support & derision this & past presidents have received over the years. without regard to racial & economic makeup, it ebbs & flows like the tides.

so what message am i not hearing that 9/10 blacks are, resulting in such consistently high approval numbers?
 

$tinkle

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oh, & i doubt polling numbers tracked like this during clinton (twice as many blacks approve as overall approve), but of course don't have the data. even if clinton was the actual first black president.
i now has data:
Obama's high ratings among black Americans are not unprecedented. Fellow Democrat Bill Clinton averaged 81% approval among blacks during his term in office, including 89% or 90% average approval in the last three years of his presidency.

However, the job approval gap between blacks and whites has become significantly larger in the Obama administration than it was in any year of the Clinton administration. Clinton received relatively low ratings among whites during his first years in office, but he also received ratings as low as 71%, on average, among blacks from 1995 to 1996. By contrast, Obama has consistently received much higher ratings among blacks even while his ratings among whites have been as low as or lower than those that Clinton received.
source

seems whites are a fickle bunch, whereas blacks have steely resolve
 

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Esquire Magazine: How Can We Not Love Obama?
Can we just enjoy Obama for a moment? Before the policy choices have to be weighed and the hard decisions have to be made, can we just take a month or two to contemplate him the way we might contemplate a painting by Vermeer or a guitar lick by the early-seventies Rolling Stones or a Peyton Manning pass or any other astounding, ecstatic human achievement? Because twenty years from now, we're going to look back on this time as a glorious idyll in American politics, with a confident, intelligent, fascinating president riding the surge of his prodigious talents from triumph to triumph. Whatever happens this fall or next, the summer of 2011 is the summer of Obama.

Due to the specific nature of his political calculus, possibly not a single person in the United States — not even Obama himself — agrees with all of his policies. But even if you disagree with him, even if you hate him, even if you are his enemy, at this point you must admire him. The turning point came that glorious week in the spring when, in the space of a few days, he released his long-form birth certificate, humiliated Donald Trump at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, and assassinated Osama bin Laden. The effortlessness of that political triptych — three linked masterpieces demonstrating his total command over intellectual argument, low comedy, and the spectacle of political violence — was so overwhelmingly impressive that it made political geniuses of the recent past like Reagan and Clinton seem ham-fisted. Formed in the fire of other people's wars, other people's financial crises, Obama stepped out of Bush's shadow that week, almost three years after taking over the presidency.

But even that string of successes cannot fully explain the immensity of his appeal right now.
 
...if there are 3 choices: approve, disapprove, unsure, how can better than 9/10 among one demographic believe one way or the other?
By your own argument, one should not pay attention to demographics.

Mr. Obama has done very well as an executive, given the bought and paid for members of both sides of the house and senate. Neither have done shining work during his tenure.

His problem, seemingly is that he's rational and pragmatic and speaks to us in those terms. We fail to get excited because we have come to expect huckstering.
 

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Mr. Obama has done very well as an executive, given the bought and paid for members of both sides of the house and senate. Neither have done shining work during his tenure.
sadly, any ineffectiveness appropriately attributable to congress will be his, unless he uses the exec order, which will in turn also be used against him (the claim being he cannot govern). sucks to be him. the only upshot is a selfish one: that i do not share most of his overall agendas. but later i'll try to remember that turnabout is fair play
His problem, seemingly is that he's rational and pragmatic and speaks to us in those terms. We fail to get excited because we have come to expect huckstering.
i think he knows enough that if he ever does "go off", that will be the redest of meat to race-baiters

again, sucks to be him.