The pic was a Vantage, not a Vanquish iirc. Are you picking Aston's worst model for the comparison? Shame on you.
a truck this big
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from the original post: http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-abc/Aston-Martin-V12-Vanquish-Frontview-1280x960.jpgfluff said:
note "V12-Vanquish" in that mess...
Well, compare an old model Corvette then... let's do apples and apples.Toshi said:
the updated Vanquish S is still a pig, and the old model Z06 is still 1000 lbs lighter and faster (albeit not quite as fast - 12.9 or so in the quarter for a middling example) than the non-S Vanquish.fluff said:
Figures don't tell the whole story the driving experience is what matters. Here the Aston gets 5 stars http://www.topgear.com/drives/A1/A7/ but the Corvette just three..http://www.topgear.com/drives/A1/A7/Toshi said:
Be good to find a comparative test but I haven't seen any.
that's for the DB9, not the vanquish. and top gear likes to measure how well the manufacturer in question fondles jeremy clarkson's "two-sack", to use Shirley's term, and i'm positive that Ford gave them a good stroking.fluff said:
ink:http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonbbc2/laptimes/thestig/
The Stig's lap times said:
I'm ashamed of you. Just admit it - the Vette whups on the AM. Big deal.fluff said:
It is a *British* car after all...........
I know that IFS in-and-of-itself isn't a bad thing (I have it on my extremely capable 4Runner) but Ford isn't specc'ing IFS on the new Rovers for it's offroad capabilities. The Range Rover brand is now an upscale rebadged Ford SUV built primarily for the street. The features of the LR3 are there so yuppies can ensure their co-workers that their "truck" is in fact a capable off-road vehicle. They have too much body hanging low in all the wrong places to actually wheel in. Look at the Lexus GX series, same platform as the fairly capable 4Runner but with lots more plastic crap tacked to the sides to rip off on a trail.
As far as the Defender being the "best", that is very subjective. The absurd cost alone is a huge negative factor, let alone the fact that the older motors were complete hunk of crap gass-hogs. The newer motor is better but good luck getting one for under 40-50K used with high mileage because they are now the SUV of choice for discerning Xtreme layers, mortgage brokers and realtards with massive disposible income. A Jeep Rubicon will go more places then a D90 more reliably for 1/2 the price, plus there is way more aftermarket support. I'm not even a "Jeep guy" but compare the specs, they speak for themselves.
Finally, the major point of my first post was to make light of the fact that you stated that Range Rovers have crappy motors and Fords don't. I found that interesting since they are the same company in the end. I don't get it.....
As far as the Defender being the "best", that is very subjective. The absurd cost alone is a huge negative factor, let alone the fact that the older motors were complete hunk of crap gass-hogs. The newer motor is better but good luck getting one for under 40-50K used with high mileage because they are now the SUV of choice for discerning Xtreme layers, mortgage brokers and realtards with massive disposible income. A Jeep Rubicon will go more places then a D90 more reliably for 1/2 the price, plus there is way more aftermarket support. I'm not even a "Jeep guy" but compare the specs, they speak for themselves.
Finally, the major point of my first post was to make light of the fact that you stated that Range Rovers have crappy motors and Fords don't. I found that interesting since they are the same company in the end. I don't get it.....
maxyedor said:
I think he ment having at least 5 teefnarlus said:
ukjason said:
nono. thats a G A Y british truck
like you but not a truck
So why the big pissing match about the size and usefulness of vehicles? Everyone bashes SUV's & big trucks. True most never see off road unless they are driving through the gravel parking lot to pick up their Xmas tree so F'n what. I guess it's the same reason people by Porsches, Subie STI's, Ferraris etc. They really can never be driven as originally designed (at least legally). So what's the purpose of having those? Sounds like everyone on the planet should be driving stripped down Honda Civics. It serves the purpose for everyone, right? My opinion, if you can afford to drive it, do so and enjoy it. If people bitch about it, they're just jealous cause they can't afford it.
Brian HCM#1 said:
And people still have the nerve to complain about high gas prices when they made their own bed.
I basically agree but there is a line between reasonable consumer ego massaging and pointless irresponsible environment rape. Depending on your personal situation (i.e. if you are a building contractor or an office worker etc.) this line is different, but I think people have a problem when they percieve this line being crossed.Brian HCM#1 said:
In the UK and Europe builders and people like that who need to haul stuff drive stuff like Ford Transit vans which are normally like 2.5L and do the job absolutely fine. They can lug a few tonnes without problem, are reliable as **** and go pretty fast. I think that's why Brits and Euros have an issue with 5.7L 5 ton trucks that yanks drive, they just feel that for nearly anyone they are unnecassary. I have to say I tend to agree in most cases.
Sprinters are cool too.Changleen said:
Perfect roadtrip vehicle.....
Edit. The one I want to buy.
Brian HCM#1 said:
Sounds reasonable.
It's $75 now.Toshi said:you know what really pisses me off? not being able to buy more than $50 of black gold at one time.
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That's because the Europeans pay a Trillion dollars a gallon/liter. Back a few years ago it was under $2 a gallon here in the US, no biggie then.Changleen said:
Big V8's burn very clean, I don't think emissions play a part here.Changleen said:
DB9/Vanquish, what's the issue - the discussion was whether Aston Martin were **** or not.. Here's a direct quote from Top Gear's test of the Corvette:Toshi said:that's for the DB9, not the vanquish. and top gear likes to measure how well the manufacturer in question fondles jeremy clarkson's "two-sack", to use Shirley's term, and i'm positive that Ford gave them a good stroking.
http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonbbc2/laptimes/thestig/
"He says the Z06 doesnt feel like an American car and while the it may not have the most sophisticated handling, its brute force makes it very controllable. Lastly, Clarkson compares the Z06 to a Ferrari 575, and attempts to figure out why theres a six-figure price gap between the two. In the end, he concludes that the Z06 is simply not enjoyable to drive on the road, despite the fact that it matches the 575 in every way on the track. On the track, the Z06 beat the Lamborghini Murcielago, Ferrari F430, and came very close to the Porsche 911 GT3."
Link: http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/16/clarkson-drives-the-corvette-z06/
As for Clarkson's partiality that is complete nonsense. He can be a dick but he gives honest opinions on cars which is why he is the highest paid car journalist in the UK (and possibly the world). He certainly doesn't need kickbacks from car manufacturers.
So whilst the Corvette is quicker around the track the driving experience is flat.
The problem isn't so much emissions any more as much as consumption.Changleen said:
That's basically it, they are fuel hogs, but burn very clean.fluff said:
Changleen said:
And that's really what it comes down to...........
Brian HCM#1 said:
so they put out the same amount of CO2 as a smaller engine, on a per mile basis?
I think Brian's focusing on the "other" emmissions, for some strange reason........narlus said:
so they put out the same amount of CO2 as a smaller engine, on a per mile basis?
I cant believe how many people replied to this
You cannot imagine the pent up boredom on this site.............ukjason said:
i wasn't implying that he is impartial in the sense of kickbacks. i am implying that he favors the cars whose perceived panache (secondary to the exclusivity of a huge price tag) tickles his bum. but on the topic of kickbacks, how much do you think he spent on that Ford GT he has?fluff said:
You mean the Ford GT he HAD. He gave it back because of the alarm causing him tons of trouble.Toshi said: