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N8 v2.0 · Jan 21, 2005

$tinkle said:
looks like there's still good work for the hate-america-first-moonbats:
le clique

what's wrong? that link didn't work? yeah, those punks can't even stand up for what they believe in for one news cycle. Not to worry, captain's quarters has a screenshot

on its face, this looks like a media bias debate, although i don't see much wiggle room for that.

oh, changleen: call your office!

ABC's GoodMorningAmerica ran the SpongeBob bit this morning in the prime 7:10 AM feature spot behind some Inauguration Day news and a story from the UK about a dog that had 24 puppies. They tried their best to hype it up as 'outta control christians' vs 'the gay lobby'...

dan-o · Jan 21, 2005

Do you think the policy banning media coverage of returning dead soldiers is unbiased?

N8 v2.0 · Jan 21, 2005

dan-o said:
Do you think the policy banning media coverage of returning dead soldiers is unbiased?

Nope... especially when the dead are used to advance an ANTI-US political adgenda.

dan-o · Jan 21, 2005

N8 said:
Nope... especially when the dead are used to advance an US political adgenda.

I see it as sweeping the costs of an agenda under the carpet. Nothing to see here folks!

dan-o · Jan 21, 2005

N8 said:
Nope... especially when the dead are used to advance an ANTI-US political adgenda.

So are newspaper obituaries of KIAs anti-american now? Don't these soldiers deserve that their sacrifice be acknowledged by their fellow citizens?

fluff · Jan 21, 2005

dan-o said:
So are newspaper obituaries of KIAs anti-american now? Don't these soldiers deserve that their sacrifice be acknowledged by their fellow citizens?

Getting killed is anti-american!

Getting upset about your child getting killed even more so I guess...

PonySoldier · Jan 21, 2005

dan-o said:
So are newspaper obituaries of KIAs anti-american now? Don't these soldiers deserve that their sacrifice be acknowledged by their fellow citizens?

They are acknowledged every week in the Denver Post.

dan-o · Jan 21, 2005

$tinkle said:
why didn't abc care to cover military funerals for soldiers who died in say, afghanistan? or military killed while performing humanitarian aide to tsunami victims?

i'll tell you why: afghanistan is a theater in which the liberal's nuanced position on the war on terror is just. nevermind that civilians have been killed there, terrorists have been imported, killed/captured there. (now, if we can just tap that oil field... )

terrorism knows no geo-political boundaries, nor do anti-american partisan politics. i expect this aid & comfort from al-jizbag, not abc.

What was all that Pat Tillman crap then? That was in the news forever and to make it worse the Army lied about what happened in the first place.

Then there was Jessica Lynch fighting off an Iraqi army division with a spork. Again another gross exaggeration that the media pushed hard until the truth came out.

When the official stories supplied to the media are such crap, do you really condemn them for looking elsewhere for info?

dan-o · Jan 21, 2005

PonySoldier said:
They are acknowledged every week in the Denver Post.

They do it here in Boston too, usually in a prominent section.
A similar idea on TV seems appropriate, without any political spin.

N8 v2.0 · Jan 21, 2005

It's odd.. sad really... that lib's only want to acknowledge the existence of the US military is when our soldiers are dead.

dan-o · Jan 21, 2005

N8 said:
It's odd.. sad really... that lib's only want to acknowledge the existence of the US military is when our soldiers are dead.

I'm not a liberal n8 and have a 4th friend headed over to Iraq this month. Automakers are required to show MPG ratings for cars to keep consumers aware of costs of ownership. Hiding the human costs of war is a disservice to voters and the soldiers themselves.

N8 v2.0 · Jan 21, 2005

dan-o said:
I'm not a liberal n8 and have a 4th friend headed over to Iraq this month. Automakers are required to show MPG ratings for cars to keep consumers aware of costs of ownership. Hiding the human costs of war is a disservice to voters and the soldiers themselves.

Hidden? Where? US casualities are posted in the press everyday. You can get a body count anytime you want.

qualude · Jan 21, 2005

N8 said:
Hidden? Where? US casualities are posted in the press everyday. You can get a body count anytime you want.

Unless I am grossly mistaken, I recall the "hiding" of 750 coffins of US soldiers being unloaded on our shores after doing thier job overseas, when the mass media did not, and would not show the ceremony early in the war. I respect the military for doing thier job, and I acknowledge thier necessity. I do not, however, equate being anti-president with being anti-American. We are free to criticize our elected officials, especially when they aren't doing thier jobs to our satisfaction.

N8 v2.0 · Jan 21, 2005

$tinkle said:
LAST 3 POSTS...

..and that ladies and gentlemen... is a WRAP!

blue · Jan 22, 2005

$tinkle said:
i see.

so by your reasoning [sic], automakers should have the "cost" of driving via NHSTA's death chart

(compare a few of these numbers & let me know about your stance on this administration's wreckless ignorance of death in our own backyard)

"witty" links in all of your posts are annoying as hell...

It's really pointless to argue in here, since you're not convincing anyone (both sides). So I'm not going to tell you how big-brother-esque hiding dead soldiers is.

On a second note, the media is a tool of the conservatives, NOT the liberals.

qualude · Jan 22, 2005

$tinkle said:
yes, you are grossly mistaken

(at least you managed to mispell "their" consistently 4X)

typing quickly will do that sometimes....
And in the article that you linked me to:
Since the 1991 Gulf War, photographs of coffins as they return to the United States have been tightly restricted. And few such photographs have been published during the conflict in Iraq.
Hmm.

Silver · Jan 22, 2005

$tinkle said:
yes, you are grossly mistaken

(at least you managed to mispell "their" consistently 4X)

What happened to the person who took that photo, $tinkle?

ALEXIS_DH · Jan 22, 2005

for all those who moan about their rights, and their freedom...

isnt restricting pics from coffins also taking away your right to information? isnt it against your inalienable right and freedom to see whatever you wanna see, even if you dont need to??
the right to free speech by those who take the pics???
they are raping the constitiution! where are the 2nd ammendment lobbyst around???

mack · Jan 23, 2005

morning *news* as a general rule should be ignored all together. :thumb:

Changleen · Jan 23, 2005

Wow, the media brainwashing is so effective now that people like $tinkle are ready to criticise the media for even trying to present more than one side to a story.

"Must..see...world..in...black and white...."

Changleen · Jan 24, 2005

$tinkle said:
"people like $tinkle" gave bush a mandate (not the governor mcgreevy variety, mind you)

Do you want congratulations for that or a kick in the nuts?

genpowell71 · Jan 25, 2005

Well, here we go again...

I asked you this question in another thread. I looked back on it and noticed that an answer from you is missing. So I ask it again.

What have you done to make this world a better place besides stand on a soapbox and criticize EVERYONE?

Controlling the population by having sex with a sheep doesnt count

Changleen · Jan 25, 2005

genpowell71 said:
Well, here we go again...

I asked you this question in another thread. I looked back on it and noticed that an answer from you is missing. So I ask it again.

What have you done to make this world a better place besides stand on a soapbox and criticize EVERYONE?

Controlling the population by having sex with a sheep doesnt count

You're a ****ing idiot. We're arguing on THE INTERNET about POLITICAL IDEOLOGIES! I could claim I'd done anything I wanted to. In reality I give money to worthwhile charities and support what I consider to be good causes. I also choose to work in a socially responsible enterprise rather than a higher paid purely capitalist entity. WHAT THE **** DOES IT MATTER? I could easily claim to be the leader of a local charity organisation, Mother Terresa, whatever...

The point is you and other idiots like you have no ****ing leg to stand on because you support a demonstrably idiotic, lying, corrupt President and anything he does and have no argument against legitimate humanitarian and sensible concerns than anyone raises against him.

All you've got is pathetic slurs against my supposed country of origin, which if your memory was longer than that of a goldfish, you'd realise were misplaced. On behalf of all actual Kiwis I'd just like to point out there are more Cows in NZ than Sheep, so you've got me ****ing the wrong species, moron.

Grow up and address the points of the argument if you can, not my nationality or alleged personal contribution to world peace.

genpowell71 · Jan 25, 2005

Changleen said:
You're a ****ing idiot. We're arguing on THE INTERNET about POLITICAL IDEOLOGIES! I could claim I'd done anything I wanted to. In reality I give money to worthwhile charities and support what I consider to be good causes. I also choose to work in a socially responsible enterprise rather than a higher paid purely capitalist entity. WHAT THE **** DOES IT MATTER? I could easily claim to be the leader of a local charity organisation, Mother Terresa, whatever...

The point is you and other idiots like you have no ****ing leg to stand on because you support a demonstrably idiotic, lying, corrupt President and anything he does and have no argument against legitimate humanitarian and sensible concerns than anyone raises against him.

All you've got is pathetic slurs against my supposed country of origin, which if your memory was longer than that of a goldfish, you'd realise were misplaced. On behalf of all actual Kiwis I'd just like to point out there are more Cows in NZ than Sheep, so you've got me ****ing the wrong species, moron.

Grow up and address the points of the argument if you can, not my nationality or alleged personal contribution to world peace.

Yes, I support my government. Why? Because its mine and I love my country. Do I like the choice of president? No. But like I have said in the past. If there are some people that dont like a president then there are always going to be stories from KNOWN anti-presidential people and they advocate that the president is a criminal (i.e. you). Bash my president all you want. Hell I'll even help you from time to time. My point is that after all the Bullsh*t that you spew from your trap, it all boils down to this. YOU are a victim of the liberal media and the banter that it preaches. Your so brainwashed into believing that we're the bad guys that even when we trade with your country, all you give out is EWWW America is a country with criminals running it. There will always be a conspiracy involved with every aspect of my president. Take your drugs and you'll stop seeing conspiracys everywhere.

genpowell71 · Jan 25, 2005

Changleen said:
All you've got is pathetic slurs against my supposed country of origin,

Are you not from NZ? OH man!!! Another conspiracy

Changleen · Jan 25, 2005

genpowell71 said:
Yes, I support my government. Why? Because its mine and I love my country. Do I like the choice of president? No. But like I have said in the past. If there are some people that dont like a president then there are always going to be stories from KNOWN anti-presidential people and they advocate that the president is a criminal (i.e. you). Bash my president all you want. Hell I'll even help you from time to time. My point is that after all the Bullsh*t that you spew from your trap, it all boils down to this. YOU are a victim of the liberal media and the banter that it preaches. Your so brainwashed into believing that we're the bad guys that even when we trade with your country, all you give out is EWWW America is a country with criminals running it. There will always be a conspiracy involved with every aspect of my president. Take your drugs and you'll stop seeing conspiracys everywhere.

Wow, your 'logic' fell on it's face half way through your second sentance. Your grammar fell apart in the third. The fact is that your current President, more than any in my lifetime, has taken actions which 90% of the rest of the world find... well, just [insert derogatory phrase here]. He has gone to war for at best a lie, at worst his family, friends and associated shareholders. Hundreds of thousands of people have died as a result, a whole region of the world has been pushed closer to chaos and he won't even admit he's made a mistake. Sure there's always been, and will always be naysayers. It's just that RIGHT NOW the problem is bigger than it's been for two generations. How am I a victim of Liberal media? I read the news from ALL OVER THE WORLD. It's amazing what you see outside of CNN, FOX, CBS and so forth. It amazing what you see they DON'T report, on a regular basis. When you have a shred of an actual argument that your President didn't go to war on a false premis, or didn't turn over years of hard fought environmental legislation purely for special interest groups based on anything like a demonstrable fact, come back and tell me.

Changleen · Jan 26, 2005

$tinkle said:
i'll ignore your fast & loose treatment of the truth (but just this once); nevermind the fact that 90% of the world has been isolated until recent history, you prole.

So what? What relevance does that to anything?

if this massive portion 'feels' the way you say, does that not fly in the face of every precept of the joint actions taken against terrorism abroad?

You mean the legitimising of heavy handed government actions in the post 9/11 fever which Governments were only too happy to brand as 'rooting out Terrorists'? Got any figures for the number of actual AQ members caught and found guilty have you? No, thought not, because there very very few, if any. Virtually 100% of 'terrorists' arrested since 9/11 have been members of existing groups with pre-existing beefs against their local governments, which you'd know if you'd been reading the news. For example in the UK out of 600 people arrested, only 17 have been found guilty of anything at all and only 15 have been found guilty of terrorism related charges - all of which were linked with the IRA. Its a similar story in the US, and in a lot of countries all it's been is a thinly disguised crack down on local disidents who happen to not like their government.

Secondly there are polls to back up my original assertion. Have a look at EOS Gallup.

here's exactly what our congress gave permission to do

Ah, So not to reduce the hearland of the country to a pile of rubble then?

that number's been debunked time & time again, but curious how you people won't yammer on about the million+ who were slaughtered under saddam hussien's reign of terror. Pretty convenient sides you're taking there, sheila.amazing.

I'd like to see your grounds for a 'a million plus' slaughtered by Saddam. The most I can find is 250,000 over his entire reign. Sure, that's not exactly 'good' by any stretch of the imagination, but if the best you can do is compare your death toll to the 'brutal dicatator' you toppled and justify your actions because you've killed less than he did over his entire 2.5 decades in power, I think you seriously need to start looking at your 'morals'. And you've only been there a fraction of that time, and you've already caught up halfway.

Secondly who has debunked these numbers? They have been shown not to represent deaths purely from bullets and bombs, but deaths from disease, starvation and pestilance are still deaths.

i think it & you say it.ok, let's see what the world trib had to say a week back:

Media's coverage has distorted world's view of Iraqi reality
c'mon, read it

Oh, Written by a US Serviceman! And what a lovely picture he paints of "how well things are going" -

From where I sit in Iraq, things are not all bad right now. In fact, they are going quite well. We are not under attack by the enemy; on the contrary, we are taking the fight to him daily and have him on the ropes. In the distance, I can hear the repeated impacts of heavy artillery and five-hundred-pound bombs hitting their targets. The occasional tank main gun report and the staccato rhythm of a Marine Corps LAV or Army Bradley Fighting Vehicle's 25-millimeter cannon provide the bass line for a symphony of destruction.

Greeaaatt! Way to win those hearts and minds! "Did I mention those 50 Iraqis we killed the other day? We're doing great!" What a tool! He's utterly missing the point. Try this for size: http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

...and google news. obviously, the stories of suicide bombers, a "spectacular attack", and some american soon to be beheaded (put your pom-poms down) are splashed all over the front. Why do you think you don't see a terrorist death count?

Please, Once again, define an Iraqi 'terroist' for me... People defending their own country? Anyone who dares to look at an American the wrong way? All of a sudden there seem to be a whole crap load of 'terroists' all of a sudden.

Changleen · Jan 26, 2005

$tinkle said:
first off, polls mean scheit; they're anecdotal at their level best.

As others have established for me, you were apparantly asleep in statistics class, so you can deny that the rest of the world hates you all you like, you'll just be wrong. Are you OK with that?

looks like we need to go pick this up on the this or that thread.

Come on, don't run away.

as far as "Once again, define an Iraqi 'terrorist' for me... People defending their own country? ", please observe that most killings of innocents has been by terrorists, defined by this new vogue term 'insurgents'.

So, you are calling the Iraqi people terrorists then? Or are you refering to the US military? Or does your definition of 'terrorist' simply mean anyone who isn't a white American? Come on Stinkle - What would you define as a terrorist act and does defending your country fall into that catagory? How is fighting against the US military 'Terrorism'? So far you've said 'Terrorist'='Insurgent', where in reality there a massive difference. What next? If any Iraqi who picks up a gun = Insurgent then are you really saying any armed Iraqi = Terrorist?

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