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Abortion Rights March

Jr_Bullit

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Abortion-rights supporters rally in Washington
Marchers take aim at President Bush’s policies

Susan Walsh / AP
Supporters of women's reproductive rights march down Washington's Pennnsylvania Avenue on Sunday. FREE VIDEO

The Associated Press
Updated: 9:29 p.m. ET April 25, 2004WASHINGTON - Abortion-rights supporters marched in huge numbers Sunday, roused in this election year by what they see as an erosion of reproductive freedoms under President Bush and foreign policies they say hurt women worldwide.

Political agitation suffused the gathering, one of the largest in favor of abortion rights since an estimated 500,000 people assembled in 1992. The target: Bush, like-minded officials in federal and state government and religious conservatives.

Speaking beyond the masses to policymakers, Francis Kissling of Catholics for a Free Choice declared, “You will hear our pro-choice voices ringing in your ears until such time that you permit all women to make our own reproductive choices.”

Taking aim at President Bush
Women joined the protest from across the nation and from nearly 60 countries, asserting that damage from Bush’s policies is spreading far beyond U.S. shores through measures such as the ban on federal money for family-planning groups that promote or perform abortions abroad.

Carole Mehlman, 68, came from Tampa, Fla., to support a cause that has motivated her to march for 30 years, as long as abortion has been legal.

“I just had to be here to fight for the next generation and the generation after that,” she said. “We cannot let them take over our bodies, our health care, our lives.”

Advocates said abortion rights are being weakened at the margins through federal and state restrictions and will be at risk of reversal at the core if Bush gets a second term.

“Know your power and use it,” Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California, House Democratic leader, exhorted the masses. “It is your choice, not the politicians’.”

And feminist Gloria Steinem accused Bush of squandering international good will and taking positions so socially conservative that he seems — according to Steinem — to be in league with the likes of Muslim extremists or the Vatican.

Sen. Clinton speaks
“This administration is filled with people who disparage sexual harassment laws, who claim the pay gap between women and men is phony ... who consider Roe v. Wade the worst abomination of constitutional law in our history,” said Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, referring to the 1973 Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion.

She spoke at a pre-rally breakfast and again to the demonstration.

Organizers set up voter registration tables; supporters of John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate, handed out stickers. The event was not overtly partisan but denunciations of Bush set the tone from the stage and the ground.

The throngs gathered by the Washington Monument for opening speeches and set off along Pennsylvania Avenue, looping back to the Mall near the Capitol. They moved slowly, bottlenecked by their own numbers. The Washington-area commuter train system alone carried 138,000 passengers Sunday morning, three times as many as the previous Sunday.

Authorities no longer give formal crowd estimates, but police sources estimated the throng at about 800,000.

That would far exceed the estimated 500,000 people who protested for abortion rights in 1992, as well as other protests in recent years, including the Million Man March in October 1995 (between 400,000-500,000 people) and the celebrated March on Washington for civil rights in August 1963 (about 400,000 attended).

Counter-demonstrators turn out
A contingent of abortion opponents assembled along a portion of the route to protest what they called a “death march.” Among them were women who said they'd had abortions and regretted it; they dressed in black.

Tabitha Warnica, 36, of Phoenix, said she had two abortions when she was young. “We don’t have a choice. God is the only one who can decide,” she said.

Police used barricades and a heavy presence at that site to keep it from becoming a flashpoint. Both sides yelled at each other as the vanguard of the march reached the counter-demonstration.

“Look at the pictures, look at the pictures!” shouted abortion opponents, holding up big posters showing a fetus at eight weeks.

“Lies, lies!” marchers shouted back.

Police arrested 16 people from the Christian Defense Coalition for demonstrating without a permit and another anti-abortion protester for throwing ink-filled plastic eggs at rally signs.

Celebrities familiar to the abortion-rights movement led the parade, among them Whoopi Goldberg, Kathleen Turner, Cybill Shepherd and media mogul Ted Turner.

“There is a religious and moral superiority and arrogance that so many, not all, Republicans have,” said actress Linda Carter. “It is the ultimate intrusion by government to tell a woman when she can have children, if she has them at all.”

Abortion not the only issue
As the list of sponsors, which included the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Latina Institute for Reproductive Health, attests, the right to an abortion in the United States was the rallying point but not the only issue at stake for these protesters. Organizers were fighting, too, for birth control, sex education and better health care for women worldwide.

“We believe it’s important to be that broad-based and diverse because the threats to reproductive rights are that broad-based and diverse,” said Gloria Feldt, president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America.

“In our country, it’s so important to feel solidarity with the rest of the world on women’s rights,” said Helena Pinto, president of UMAR, an abortion rights group in Portugal, where legal abortion is limited.

Although Roe v. Wade still anchors abortion rights, some states have imposed waiting periods before abortions, requirements that girls under 18 notify their parents, and other limits that have closed abortion clinics or discouraged doctors from performing abortions.

Bush has signed a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortion, and the first federal law to endow a fetus with legal rights distinct from the pregnant woman.

Roe v. Wade still looms large
Abortion-rights supporters say a fragile Supreme Court majority in favor of Roe v. Wade could be lost if Bush is president long enough to fill vacancies that come up in the court. Kerry supports abortion rights.

With the election looming, “this is a year that is most critical,” said Vicki Bailyn, 65, who came from Chicago to march. “The whole political situation ... is something that is of incredible importance to us.”

Kate Michelman, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, said the march was about more than the right to a safe abortion. “The march is about the totality of women’s lives and the right to make decision about our lives,” she said.

And if there is any question that younger women are not as committed to the abortion-rights movement as their mothers and grandmothers, “this march will answer that question definitively,” she said.

“The big issue for them is that all young people may not realize how threatened the right to choose is.”
 

Tenchiro

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Police arrested 16 people from the Christian Defense Coalition for demonstrating without a permit...
According to official sources, an odd "spinning" noise could be heard from the grave of Thomas Jefferson.
 

Jr_Bullit

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Sep 8, 2001
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Originally posted by Tenchiro


According to official sources, an odd "spinning" noise could be heard from the grave of Thomas Jefferson.
I have to say though, that in this instance, I can understand the need for the permits of "who's" going to protest and who isn't. Think about it...hundreds of thousands of people protesting for one thing...

a few thousand others show up to try and make a ruckus (sorry, but pitching ink filled eggs at protesters in support of anti-abortion rights is nothing but inflammatory) the potential is there for a full out riot. I can imagine wanting to know and be prepared ahead of time what kind of trouble may brew. Of course...any abortion protest of any kind is bound to bring out the nutty ones...
 

$tinkle

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Feb 12, 2003
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i wish i tivo'd the C-SPAN coverage. I only have highlights
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Speaking beyond the masses to policymakers, Francis Kissling of Catholics for a Free Choice declared, “You will hear our pro-choice voices ringing in your ears until such time that you permit all women to make our own reproductive choices.”
this sexist remark emasculates 1/2 the population
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Taking aim at President Bush
Women joined the protest from across the nation and from nearly 60 countries, asserting that damage from Bush’s policies is spreading far beyond U.S. shores through measures such as the ban on federal money for family-planning groups that promote or perform abortions abroad.
so bush is evil b/c he won't hand out? Didn't realize hand-outs were a right in the whole "choice" thing.
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Carole Mehlman, 68, came from Tampa, Fla., to support a cause that has motivated her to march for 30 years, as long as abortion has been legal.

“I just had to be here to fight for the next generation and the generation after that,” she said. “We cannot let them take over our bodies, our health care, our lives.”
what this article omitted is that she had her grand-daughter on stage w/ her. WTF? Fight for the generations to never be?
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
“Know your power and use it,” Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California, House Democratic leader, exhorted the masses. “It is your choice, not the politicians’.”
another lie by ommission: rep pelosi said "as a mother of 5 & grandmother of 5 & as a devout roman catholic"
...i went deaf after this. Last week a catholic church official said no-one can take communion if they are pro-abortion. She doesn't seem too devout to me.
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Sen. Clinton speaks
“This administration is filled with people who disparage sexual harassment laws,
bill could be heard snickering in the background
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
The event was not overtly partisan
:rolleyes:
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Authorities no longer give formal crowd estimates, but police sources estimated the throng at about 800,000.

That would far exceed the estimated 500,000 people who protested for abortion rights in 1992, as well as other protests in recent years, including the Million Man March in October 1995 (between 400,000-500,000 people) and the celebrated March on Washington for civil rights in August 1963 (about 400,000 attended).
translation: what you read is useless & unsupported, like most of the rhetoric on sunday, but let's spew forth anywho.
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Counter-demonstrators turn out
A contingent of abortion opponents assembled along a portion of the route to protest what they called a “death march.” Among them were women who said they'd had abortions and regretted it; they dressed in black.
"counter"-demonstrators? Why can't they just be "demonstrators"? Women who "said" they had abortions? Indeed, the pro-life crowd is not to be trusted & validated.
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Tabitha Warnica, 36, of Phoenix, said she had two abortions when she was young. “We don’t have a choice. God is the only one who can decide,” she said.
so go google her address & terrorize her for these slanderous remarks! GO!
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Both sides yelled at each other as the vanguard of the march reached the counter-demonstration.

“Look at the pictures, look at the pictures!” shouted abortion opponents, holding up big posters showing a fetus at eight weeks.
“Lies, lies!” marchers shouted back.
"counter-demonstration" (bad)
"abortion opponents" (bad)
"marchers" (good)
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Police arrested 16 people from the Christian Defense Coalition for demonstrating without a permit and another anti-abortion protester for throwing ink-filled plastic eggs at rally signs.
see? it's the non-permit holding, "anti-abortion" protesters who are making trouble!
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Celebrities familiar to the abortion-rights movement led the parade, among them Whoopi Goldberg, Kathleen Turner, Cybill Shepherd and media mogul Ted Turner.
doctors were seen back-stage removing mr turners testicles just before he spoke.
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
“There is a religious and moral superiority and arrogance that so many, not all, Republicans have,” said actress Linda Carter. “It is the ultimate intrusion by government to tell a woman when she can have children, if she has them at all.”
i'd like to tie up wonder woman w/ her lasso of truth. Ok, a little off-topic
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Organizers were fighting, too, for birth control, sex education and better health care for women worldwide.
women? not girls? or babies?
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
girls under 18 notify their parents
who, by the way, didn't abort them.
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Bush has signed a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortion
uhhh, i think that's what everyone calls it, not just opponents.
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Roe v. Wade still looms large
Abortion-rights supporters say a fragile Supreme Court majority in favor of Roe v. Wade could be lost if Bush is president long enough to fill vacancies that come up in the court. Kerry supports abortion rights.
3 out of 9 votes is now a fragile majority?
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Kate Michelman, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, said the march was about more than the right to a safe abortion. “The march is about the totality of women’s lives and the right to make decision about our lives,” she said.
does "our" lives mean "me & my unborn"?
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
And if there is any question that younger women are not as committed to the abortion-rights movement as their mothers and grandmothers, “this march will answer that question definitively,” she said.
and raise further ones like, "do you realize your mothers & grandmothers are the very reason why you exist?"

oh, i like when the C-SPAN cameras pan to a sign reading "abort Bush before the election", you can hear folks saying to the cameraman, "no! no! no!". Kind of removes the compassion for the balanced argument & affirms those who say "abortion kills", eh?

i'm not going to find much agreement in my views here, i know, but at least appreciate i read the whole bleedin' article you posted
 

Andyman_1970

Turbo Monkey
Apr 4, 2003
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Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Counter-demonstrators turn out
A contingent of abortion opponents assembled along a portion of the route to protest what they called a “death march.” Among them were women who said they'd had abortions and regretted it; they dressed in black.

Tabitha Warnica, 36, of Phoenix, said she had two abortions when she was young. “We don’t have a choice. God is the only one who can decide,” she said.

Who better to speak either for or against abortion than someone who has had one.

I know the "Pro-Choice" camp likes to tell men that they have no business sticking their noses into a womens issue because "it has nothing to do with them". I say we take that "logic" a step further and say the only people that can demonstrate/march on this issue are women that have had an abortion.

Those are the only people (IMO) that can truly speak from and informed point of view on this subject (if you apply the anti-men logic).
 

$tinkle

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Feb 12, 2003
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Originally posted by Andyman_1970
Who better to speak either for or against abortion than someone who has had one.
silent!

you're a dude - you have no voice. Therefore, male lawmakers may not cast a vote on this topic either. Nor can male doctors perform procedures, nor can males train anyone to perform this procedure, nor can males work at PP, nor can PP hire male lawyers, nor can arguments be heard by male judges.
 

Jr_Bullit

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Sep 8, 2001
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Originally posted by Andyman_1970
Who better to speak either for or against abortion than someone who has had one.

I know the "Pro-Choice" camp likes to tell men that they have no business sticking their noses into a womens issue because "it has nothing to do with them". I say we take that "logic" a step further and say the only people that can demonstrate/march on this issue are women that have had an abortion.

Those are the only people (IMO) that can truly speak from and informed point of view on this subject (if you apply the anti-men logic).
I dunno that at any point we'll ever keep men out of the debate ;) it's true, y'all are genetically wired to protect your offspring, so your position in this is to be expected.

And...Boston is exactly right....he has the right not to pay for one...lol...unless of course he's the reason she's getting one..i.e. he told his girlfriend she has to have one, and "he's not gonna pay for it" :rolleyes:

We've been through this topic lots, and y'all know my position. I posted the article because I thought you'd find it interesting.

And stinkle, you are true to form today, a grand ole instigator looking for nothing better than to get into a war of words.
 

$tinkle

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Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
And stinkle, you are true to form today, a grand ole instigator looking for nothing better than to get into a war of words.
much obliged.

my vent/rant is more with the washpost (which echoed the AP report). I grew up reading them - even working for them for almost 2 years - they're on my watchlist.

never will i ever convince anyone to leave the other side & join mine by my responses like my previous.

guess i'm just pissin' up a rope, and that's something you can't do. :D
 

LordOpie

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Oct 17, 2002
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Originally posted by $tinkle
you're a dude - you have no voice. Therefore, male lawmakers may not cast a vote on this topic either. Nor can male doctors perform procedures, nor can males train anyone to perform this procedure, nor can males work at PP, nor can PP hire male lawyers, nor can arguments be heard by male judges.
can we atleast knock 'em up?

*Roger Rabit voice*
Paaaaaalease? :devil:
 

BostonBullit

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Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
And...Boston is exactly right....he has the right not to pay for one...lol...unless of course he's the reason she's getting one..i.e. he told his girlfriend she has to have one, and "he's not gonna pay for it" :rolleyes:
correctamundo! if I did the deed then the hell yea I should have to pay for it, it's a little something I like to call "personal responsability" (even if I don't spell it goodly)
 

RhinofromWA

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quote:
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Police arrested 16 people from the Christian Defense Coalition for demonstrating without a permit...
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:think: :) They should have had a permit........lol sorry I find that one ammusing. For those not in on the free speach/assembly bickering last week this is more an inside jab about a Tenchiro/Rhino discussion last week....

Atleast the 800,000 group had permits to protest....they were protected to practice their right to speak freely against the government.....to speak out against GWB and anti-abortion zealots. Somebody at the permit desk must have been asleep at the wheel :rolleyes: j/k :) They totally should have been denied the right to protest because that is what people in power do...they clamp down and become "the man"

Rhino

In hindsight they were probably arrested for enciting violence....and not protesting peacefully. ;) Permits be damned.
 

RhinofromWA

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Aug 16, 2001
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Originally posted by sshappy
Is that a fact or an assumption?
From the article posted at the top of the thread.....

Authorities no longer give formal crowd estimates, but police sources estimated the throng at about 800,000.
The opposing group was said to be arrested for protesting without a permit.

Police arrested 16 people from the Christian Defense Coalition for demonstrating without a permit...
I guess you can say that is an assumption...:rolleyes:

And if it was an assumption? Where are you leading with that question? :think: Did you even read the article? That is a question, not an assumption....but it might be a fact. ;)

Rhino
 

sshappy

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Originally posted by RhinofromWA
I guess you can say that is an assumption...:rolleyes:

And if it was an assumption? Where are you leading with that question? :think: Did you even read the article? That is a question, not an assumption....but it might be a fact. ;)

Rhino
I did indeed read the article.

The reason for the question was to check whether you had an alternate source for the permit information or if you were using an assumption made from the text of this article to backup your support for protest permits which would not therefore be a well founded argument.

Because the police arrested 16 people for not having a permit to protest does not mean that the rest of the protestors had permits.

Do you think it likely that the police arrested all those who had no permits to protest? Or that the rest of the protestors had permits?
 

$tinkle

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Feb 12, 2003
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Originally posted by drtbikrr
My opinion of abortion is, if you don't want to have kids, don't have sex.
Nick
i think god would disagree.
why are both parties equipped & willing when any of these expected scenarios exist:
- she's already pregnant
- she's "in season" (against mosaic law i realize)
- she's post-menopausal

i know it's not fair even in the winter of life men are always equipped, willing, - & now with cealis & viagra - able

song of soloman isn't a How to Get Pregnant Guide, but rather How to Ravage Your Betrothed
 

Andyman_1970

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Apr 4, 2003
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Originally posted by sshappy
So would it be true to say that you never have sex except when you want a kid?:confused:
Nope, but my wife and I understand that a child might result, and that's fine.

It seems the point drtbikrr (I assume on his behalf) and myself were trying to make was that every action has consequences. A consequence of sex could be a child or an STD. If you're gonna play don't whine about the results when/if they happen. If you absolutely don't want a child, don't engage in the human mating process..............duh.
 

$tinkle

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Feb 12, 2003
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Originally posted by Andyman_1970
With some references in the Hebrew to "oral", and who says the Bible is not relevant today..................:rolleyes:
hmmmm...i think we missed each others' points.

a true foghorn leghorn moment
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Originally posted by sshappy
The reason for the question was to check whether you had an alternate source for the permit information or if you were using an assumption made from the text of this article to backup your support for protest permits which would not therefore be a well founded argument.

Because the police arrested 16 people for not having a permit to protest does not mean that the rest of the protestors had permits.

Do you think it likely that the police arrested all those who had no permits to protest? Or that the rest of the protestors had permits?
Are you arguing *just* to argue or do you actually have a point?

I think it's fair to make the assumption based on the article, heck, based on reason alone... if a hundred thousand people set up a demonstration withOUT a permit, I'm pretty sure the national guard and probably another military branch would be called out to disperse 'em.
 
Originally posted by Andyman_1970
Nope, but my wife and I understand that a child might result, and that's fine.

It seems the point drtbikrr (I assume on his behalf) and myself were trying to make was that every action has consequences. A consequence of sex could be a child or an STD. If you're gonna play don't whine about the results when/if they happen. If you absolutely don't want a child, don't engage in the human mating process..............duh.
Exactamundo!