[RenegadeRick]

I mean like look, the guy was clearly a being threat by laying flat on the ground face down with outstretched arms and legs. He clearly deserved the kick to the head that he got. The officer's high fives afterward are a clear sign that this behavior is acceptable and expected of the officers. Funk, they are just doing what is right.

You can watch a video of the completely necessary officer on citizen violence here.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/SoCal-Cop-Punts-Suspects-Head.html

Enjoy.

 

[Silver]

The video doesn't tell the whole story, of course. It never does. The officer obviously felt like he was in danger, so that makes his actions justified.

Next...

 

[X3pilot]

the final chapter of a pursuit that began about 1:30 p.m. at an attempted traffic stop in El Monte. Police tried to stop the motorist for a traffic violation, said California Highway Patrol Officer Jose Nunez.

The motorist opted to keep going, heading onto the eastbound San Bernardino (10) Freeway, then exited in Baldwin Park, Nunez said.

The driver had two passengers in the car, but when the vehicle came to a stop in traffic, one of them jumped out and surrendered to police. The driver, however, sped off again, and unidentified objects were thrown out of the car.

The driver used a sidewalk to avoid traffic before getting back onto the eastbound San Bernardino (10) Freeway, where he was met by two patrol units.

Going about 85 mph, the motorist took the 10 to the southbound San Gabriel River (605) Freeway and exited on Whittier Boulevard, where the car immediately slammed into a sport utility vehicle.

One of the occupants was taken into custody almost immediately and the other ran to the back of a nearby apartment complex and was taken into custody there.

Yeah, don't see why they wouldn't expect a nice hug from the cops when they finally surrendered.

 

[sanjuro]

Rick, have you ever been a victim of a crime? Like a stolen car, mugging, or even some graffiti?

Did you give the perp a big hug and apologize for oppressing him and forcing him to hurt you?

 

[RenegadeRick]

Rick, have you ever been a victim of a crime? Like a stolen car, mugging, or even some graffiti?

nothing really major, but you know what I did when I met the guy who was schtupping my ex-wife?

I shook his hand.

 

[jimmydean]

nothing really major, but you know what I did when I met the guy who was schtupping my ex-wife?

I shook his hand.

And I would pay someone $1000 to shoot my ex-wife, but have you been a victim of CRIME?

 

[manimal]

nothing really major, but you know what I did when I met the guy who was schtupping my ex-wife?

I shook his hand.

libertarian = puss ?

 

[Westy]

libertarian = puss ?

I think we need to see a picture of his ex first. Dude might have been doing him a favor.

 

[cracked]

definition of a liberal?

a conservative who hasn't been robbed yet!

 

[sanjuro]

There are dozens of legitimate police brutality incidents each year, and one reason why there are not hundreds is the video camera.

However, making arrests is not simply "Freeze! Police!" The adrenelin is running, danger is not obvious, and these are people.

I am not going to worry about a douchebag getting kicked in the head when there is one Oscar Grant.

Let's stay on focus instead of listening to preachers who wants to express his 4th amendment rights or college boys who think they are too good to be tased.

 

[RenegadeRick]

but have you been a victim of CRIME?

I could have sworn adultery was a crime. I seem to remember reading that in a book with a cross on it...

I think we need to see a picture of his ex first. Dude might have been doing him a favor.

I think he probably did do me a favor, but I sure didn't feel that way at the time...

libertarian = puss ?

Yeah, probably. Generally, I am against harming anyone, no matter what they may have done. Hurting an offender for doing something wrong does not make the original wrong go away.

 

[sanjuro]

Yeah, probably. Generally, I am against harming anyone, no matter what they may have done. Hurting an offender for doing something wrong does not make the original wrong go away.

Yes, undue or unnecessary harm is a bad thing.

However, living in the glass house others call the Bay Area, there are many unpleasant things which people want to avert their eyes.

Why is there a highway separating the ritzy Palo Alto from the slum of East Palo Alto? Why is the richest residents of Oakland in the hills and the poorest in the valley?

In my entire life, I have never lived far from the worst that people can become, and I think it is important to acknowledge that things are not the same.

Because if I thought the way the police treat me in Bernal Heights is the same in Bayview, then I might think the people who live in those neighborhoods had the same opportunities that I had, and they don't. That why I'm able to live in a nice neighborhood and people in Bayview struggle to escape.

 

[jimmydean]

I could have sworn adultery was a crime. I seem to remember reading that in a book with a cross on it...

I don't recall any book of law having a cross on it? There is an interesting book of fiction that has a cross on it though.

 

[gonefirefightin]

we are one of the only countries that actually have rights for those who break the law and I think it is crap.

you break the law, prepare for the beat down

 

[jimmydean]

we are one of the only countries that actually have rights for those who break the law and I think it is crap.

you break the law, prepare for the beat down

If you are mistaken and get beat down, then you shouldn't go around looking like someone who would commit a crime in the first place.

With all my wifes police training and stuff she is doing for her law enforcement classes, I am continually amazed at just how limited a cop might be in a given situation.

 

[gonefirefightin]

judge dredd for president

 

[RenegadeRick]

judge dredd for president

Location: Surrounded by Police in a hail of gunfire

You reap what you sow, man.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

You reap what you sow, man.

Peruse his new thread in the lounge. I'm absolutely sure he reaps and sows like a mofo. Gunfire notwithstanding.

 

[ohio]

we are one of the only countries that actually have rights for those who break the law

first of all, no.

second, not a fan of the constitution, are you?

 

[Silver]

second, not a fan of the constitution, are you?

Alternatively, perhaps not aware of it?

 

[DaveW]

Rick, have you ever been a victim of a crime? Like a stolen car, mugging, or even some graffiti?

Did you give the perp a big hug and apologize for oppressing him and forcing him to hurt you?

So that makes it ok for the cops to break the law.

Sweet!

Manimal!!!!..... Break out the waterboard we are go for enhanced witness interviews.

 

[sanjuro]

So that makes it ok for the cops to break the law.

Sweet!

Manimal!!!!..... Break out the waterboard we are go for enhanced witness interviews.

Hmmm. Another idiot.

I didn't say anything about this not being a crime. I just understand why he might do it and how in the scheme of brutality, this doesn't even register.

 

[dante]

Hmmm. Another idiot.

I didn't say anything about this not being a crime. I just understand why he might do it and how in the scheme of brutality, this doesn't even register.

So now you're taking to try to understand the poor criminal (the cop) and his feelings/emotions/motives when he was committing the crime?

Dirty hippie.

 

[IH8Rice]

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[manimal]

So now you're taking to try to understand the poor criminal (the cop) and his feelings/emotions/motives when he was committing the crime?

Dirty hippie.

no, i think he was trying to sympathize with a profession that is wrought with catch 22's. the public demands that we go catch these scumbags who prey on innocent citizens yet the same public cries foul if the criminal is as much as scratched during the apprehension. we are shot at, hit, and cussed out by these wolves of society yet we are unreasonably expected to hunt said wolves alone and without any teeth of our own. the public will resent us for using too little force just as much as they will for using too much instead of just letting us be the predator hunters that we are supposed to be.

criminals don't have to adhere to rules of engagement thus granting them the upper hand in any officer/criminal involvement where the officer is strictly tied to a system of action/reaction.

don't worry sanjuro, i understand what you meant

 

[Silver]

the public demands that we go catch these scumbags who prey on innocent citizens yet the same public cries foul if the criminal is as much as scratched during the apprehension.

Absolute bull****. I thought Jesus said something about bearing false witness?

No one cares about the average arrest with reasonable force used. Some of us do care about an assault committed by a police officer.

edit: You have a startling and rather radical interpretation of what the police are constitutionally allowed to do. You're about one step away from McVeigh-land...

 

[manimal]

edit: You have a startling and rather radical interpretation of what the police are constitutionally allowed to do. You're about one step away from McVeigh-land...

hmmm..now where did i put my ANFO?

 

[manimal]

No one cares about the average arrest with reasonable force used. Some of us do care about an assault committed by a police officer.

no kidding...reading comprehension much? read my previous post where i admonish the officer actions. i was just expounding on sanjuro's point since dante wanted to take it where it wasn't intended.

 

[Silver]

no kidding...reading comprehension much? read my previous post where i admonish the officer actions. i was just expounding on sanjuro's point since dante wanted to take it where it wasn't intended.

No such post in this thread.

Even if there was, it sounds to me a lot like a German circa 1946 who says, "Sure there was some excess the last 10 years, but that doesn't mean that the Jews aren't cockroaches."

 

[kidwoo]

instead of just letting us be the predator hunters that we are supposed to be.

You got a wolf suit?


Cuz that would be badass.

 

[manimal]

No such post in this thread.

Even if there was, it sounds to me a lot like a German circa 1946 who says, "Sure there was some excess the last 10 years, but that doesn't mean that the Jews aren't cockroaches."

sorry...you are correct. it was the other LAPD kick to the head thread where i posted.

wow..um...adrenaline overload much? it's a bummer to see officers lose control like that but on the other hand, how would you treat that dude if he plowed into your wife/mother/sister/daughter while he was driving like a douche? i'm not condoning the officer's actions just bringing up the fact that criminals don't have to play by the rules and that cop's career is now probably over for giving the criminal what most would say he deserved. the problem is that punisher/executioner isn't the job of the police...even though the court system fails at it to.

and no, your analogy is nowhere near close to accurate. The jews weren't preying on the weak little germans.

 

[Silver]

and no, your analogy is nowhere near close to accurate. The jews weren't preying on the weak little germans.

It's much more accurate than you realize. It has nothing to do with whether or not the Jews were preying on the Germans, and everything to do with the perception of the average German citizen (and European, really) citizen with regards to the Jewish people.

 

[dante]

no kidding...reading comprehension much? read my previous post where i admonish the officer actions. i was just expounding on sanjuro's point since dante wanted to take it where it wasn't intended.

Oh c'mon, it's usually the bleeding heart hippie commie liberals who excuse a criminal's behavior due to extenuating circumstances, and here you have various right-wing talk show hosts doing the exact same thing.

And don't give me this "just the right amount of force, not too much and not too little" crap. You know these cops crossed that line. These cops almost definitely knew themselves that they'd crossed the line. A cop shooting an unarmed person because he thinks they have a gun is understandable. Kicking a perp in the head while he's lying on the ground is not. I'm fine with mistakes in assessing a situation, ie shooting someone when you think your life is in danger, using more force than might be necessary to take someone down, etc. I'm not ok with willful retribution by a pissed-off cop.

 

[ohio]

No such post in this thread.

Even if there was, it sounds to me a lot like a German circa 1946 who says, "Sure there was some excess the last 10 years, but that doesn't mean that the Jews aren't cockroaches."

Wait, are you calling Jews criminals?

Anti-Semite.

 

[manimal]

You know these cops crossed that line. These cops almost definitely knew themselves that they'd crossed the line. A cop shooting an unarmed person because he thinks they have a gun is understandable. Kicking a perp in the head while he's lying on the ground is not. I'm fine with mistakes in assessing a situation, ie shooting someone when you think your life is in danger, using more force than might be necessary to take someone down, etc. I'm not ok with willful retribution by a pissed-off cop.

no argument there. i was generalizing for what we experience on the street as LEO's. ANY use of force, on the street in the hood where i work, is always met with resistance from the locals. i had one where the dude swung at me and missed so i laid him out and put his arms in not-so-comfortable positions until another officer came to help me get him cuffed. the crowd that gathered to watch were all filming and shouting "brutality" and "eff the police!" blah, blah, blah...even though he tried to knock my block off. so just because it doesn't make it on primetime doesn't mean that we don't get hassled about nearly every use of force. hence my "catch 22" soliloquy.

 

[kidwoo]

Wait, are you calling Jews criminals?

If lovin' Liza is a crime, call me Manson!!

 

[syadasti]

AP - Police have released surveillance video showing a sheriff's deputy slamming a man head first into a wall, leaving him in a coma. The 29-year-old had been pursued by deputies after a witness wrongly identified him as a suspect in an assault.

...

Urquhart says the "tragic accident" occurred when Deputy Matthew Paul caught up to Harris outside the Cinerama Theater. The video shows Harris slowing down to stop running. He is then shoved hard by the deputy, sending him falling backwards. His head hits the wall.

The Story: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30877513/

 

[Silver]

If he didn't want to be in a coma, he shouldn't have done anything wrong.

 

[RenegadeRick]

persons with the power to deprive people of their rights need to take great care with their powers. there isn't a lot one can tell from the video or the news story here except some dude is now in a coma because a cop body slammed him.

so since the initial response it is proper use of force, then it is either too bad for coma man and his family or maybe the police are responsible and then the taxpayers get to pay for his feeding tubes and spongebaths for the rest of his life. it's lose, lose, lose all the way around.

I eSpeculate that if there wasn't video, he might have had a knife planted on him, since he was the guy who stabbed someone in that store, right?

 

[stoney]

That dude ain't getting up for a long time, that's a base of skull impact... He'll probably die in a coma.