If you can get BBC tv, this looks like it's worth a look.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm
Access to BBC TV? Interesting Series...
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Even if you can't get BBC TV it's still worth a look:
BitTorrent file for the film download here:
http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2842/The_Power_Of_Nightmares_pt1-avi.torrent
And for the BitTorrent philistines amongst us, grab a free copy of BitTorrent here, if you haven't got it already:
http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/
It's an excellent program.
BitTorrent file for the film download here:
http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2842/The_Power_Of_Nightmares_pt1-avi.torrent
And for the BitTorrent philistines amongst us, grab a free copy of BitTorrent here, if you haven't got it already:
http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/
It's an excellent program.
Has nobody bothered to check this out? You owe it to yourselves...
Parts 2 & 3:
The 2nd part "The Phantom Victory" is available,
There's an RM and a DivX version here:
http://conspiracy.hopto.org:6969/
Also try looking on eDonkey, if you'd rather have
MPEG.
The 3rd and final part is already available for
download:
http://conspiracy.hopto.org:6969/
http://conspiracy.hopto.org:6969/stats.html?info_hash=2f519d7b1d14fff51e30cf8c2257105904386a03
It's keeping some pretty strange company up there,
what with David Icke interviews and "13 illuminati
bloodlines and mind control" alongside.
Don't let that put you off. This is a well researched
and well thought-out documentary, and throws new light
on all sorts of current events.
Apologies for the formating of this post.
Parts 2 & 3:
The 2nd part "The Phantom Victory" is available,
There's an RM and a DivX version here:
http://conspiracy.hopto.org:6969/
Also try looking on eDonkey, if you'd rather have
MPEG.
The 3rd and final part is already available for
download:
http://conspiracy.hopto.org:6969/
http://conspiracy.hopto.org:6969/stats.html?info_hash=2f519d7b1d14fff51e30cf8c2257105904386a03
It's keeping some pretty strange company up there,
what with David Icke interviews and "13 illuminati
bloodlines and mind control" alongside.
Don't let that put you off. This is a well researched
and well thought-out documentary, and throws new light
on all sorts of current events.
Apologies for the formating of this post.
you seem to be the only person posting in this thread...............get it?
You are lovely aren't you?Damn True said:
no way Im corrupting my mind with that BBC garbage.
DT and shirley only watch fox news and republican propaganda networks. don't mind them.
The BBC is one of the only truly unbiased media outlets left on the damn planet.
The BBC is one of the only truly unbiased media outlets left on the damn planet.
Yeah, that and Al JazeeraTranscend said:
Transcend said:
Actually, I think the last time I watched Fox news was when I was in New Zealand.
Am currently downloading 'A brief History of Disbelief' on a recomendation form a friend.
Check http://www.uknova.com/ for UK TV stuff.
Check http://www.uknova.com/ for UK TV stuff.
Unfortunately it is well documented (and accepted I believe) that the BBC has been used in previous wars, by the British government, to distribute propaganda. Of course, I'm sure this doesn't happen now.
This brings up a conversation I was having over the weekend about bias in the media. I have to say I much prefer the british system in which the newspapers are openly biased, as opposed to the current system in america in which the media pretends to be unbiased. It's pretty much impossible, in my view, to be completly objective so why not just be upfront with the bias?
This brings up a conversation I was having over the weekend about bias in the media. I have to say I much prefer the british system in which the newspapers are openly biased, as opposed to the current system in america in which the media pretends to be unbiased. It's pretty much impossible, in my view, to be completly objective so why not just be upfront with the bias?
Transcend said:
It is actually quite amusing and quite typical to see people slagging off the BBC without actually viewing this content. Still, suit yerselves.
Fluff, if you meant me I wasn't slagging off the bbc, just pointing out that they aren't as unbiased as people seem to believe. That said, I do miss the bbc (i'm from england), I've seen a lot of good stuff of their's over the years.fluff said:
As for the content, thanks for posting it. I took a look at the html and will watch the videos when I get time later this week.
Not you, there were other less structured responses. It is not really surprising that the BBc became a 'propaganda' tool during previous wars, clearly it has an British-centric view of the world despite itself, and to report the other way always attracts accusations of treason/lack of patriotism. The BBC does a pretty good job of trying to bring balanced coverage.Jonny Wray said:
If you are interested in how subtle media bias can be have a look at 'Hidden Agendas' by John Pilger. He is a 'loony lib' but makes some good points about how the media take certain things for granted and allow themselves to be turned by government spin.
The particular content about which I posted has no great love for the liberal philosophy, openly stating it had failed before the neo-cons also failed (prior to the events of 9/11 they lacked the trmendous influence they now have). What is interesting is how much the neo-cons and the Islamic fundamentalists have in common, although clearly opposed in many other ways.
Oh, couldn't agree more, not suprising in the least. One man's moral building is another's manufacture of consent I guess.fluff said:
Yeah, I've read it and his other book, although it was a few years ago now, maybe time for a reread. I actually like a lot of his work, although some of the book does make him seems a little on the loony side. Can't argue with his exposure of East Timor years before anyone else said/did anything. Wasn't that also a documentary on the bbc?fluff said:
I'm actually looking forward to watching it. Pity it has to be via the computer really, not a fan of that.fluff said:
*Bump*
So I watched the first part of a 'Brief History of Disbelief' last night. Really, very good. I suggest y'all watch it if you have the bandwidth and time. Makes some excellent observations about the causes and response to 9/11.
Once again, you can download the torrents from: http://www.uknova.com/ - you just need to sign up with them (free).
It is a three part series.
So I watched the first part of a 'Brief History of Disbelief' last night. Really, very good. I suggest y'all watch it if you have the bandwidth and time. Makes some excellent observations about the causes and response to 9/11.
Once again, you can download the torrents from: http://www.uknova.com/ - you just need to sign up with them (free).
It is a three part series.
Just finished the last part. Thanks for the tip Fluff.
A very interesting watch, highly recomended.
A very interesting watch, highly recomended.
Watching the first one...interesting.
Good stuff...I knew a bit about Strauss before, but that was enlightening.
Richard Perle talking about the Russians in Afghanistan:
"If you leave, the problem of support to the Mujahadeen solves itself."
Oh really? And from the Soviet point of view, the Mujahadeen would be what you'd call "insurgents," wouldn't they?
Of course, you never know if a neo-con is lying to you. Because as Strauss mentioned, it's ok to lie in order to perpetuate the "useful myth."
Pretty damning stuff...
"If you leave, the problem of support to the Mujahadeen solves itself."
Oh really? And from the Soviet point of view, the Mujahadeen would be what you'd call "insurgents," wouldn't they?
Of course, you never know if a neo-con is lying to you. Because as Strauss mentioned, it's ok to lie in order to perpetuate the "useful myth."
Pretty damning stuff...
And pulling out my crystal ball, I do expect a nuclear attack on the US mainland sometime before 2050.
But, it will be a nuclear bomb with origins in Pakistan, bought with Saudi money. Both current "allies" in our war on terror. We're currently doing the same thing we did with the Soviets. We're so paranoid about the bogeyman we create that we don't notice the actual threat standing on our front porch (or we conviently ignore it...either way.)
But, it will be a nuclear bomb with origins in Pakistan, bought with Saudi money. Both current "allies" in our war on terror. We're currently doing the same thing we did with the Soviets. We're so paranoid about the bogeyman we create that we don't notice the actual threat standing on our front porch (or we conviently ignore it...either way.)
am gonna derail this a bit.
am totally new to bittorrent, and is neat.
i remember somebody posted some webpage that is like a search engine for bittorrent stuff. can anybody who remembers a good one post it plz??? where i get more stuff?
am totally new to bittorrent, and is neat.
i remember somebody posted some webpage that is like a search engine for bittorrent stuff. can anybody who remembers a good one post it plz??? where i get more stuff?
The first part of Disbelief? You mean the first part of Nightmares, don't you?Changleen said:
The Rough History of Disbelief is interesting though too...how often does stuff like this show up on British TV? Three one hour segments with no commercials and multi syllable words? It's great!
Agreed! No, I meant 'Rough History of Disbelief, but I just got 'Nightmares' too. (Finished DL yesterday) I haven't watched it yet - I am taking my time with 'disbelief'. I am most impressed with the Beeb for commisioning this stuff. Funny how certain otherSilver said:
are ignoring this. Burly, are you open minded enough to watch these so we can have a decent argument? Anyone?
Quick bump...If you enjoyed Disbelief, the UKNova site has the torrents for the Atheism Tapes (which were the interviews he did with Dawkins, Dennett, McGinn, Weinberg, Turner and Miller for the series) online.
These are the links for the entire first episode, so you have to download all 3 to see the entire episode.
Part 1
6meg http://images.indymedia.org/imc/washingtondc/media/video/2/power_of_nightmares_1_1of3.avi
Part 2
30meg http://images.indymedia.org/imc/washingtondc/media/video/3/power_of_nightmares_1_2of3.avi
Part 3
29meg http://images.indymedia.org/imc/washingtondc/media/video/4/power_of_nightmares_1_3of3.avi
Part 1
6meg http://images.indymedia.org/imc/washingtondc/media/video/2/power_of_nightmares_1_1of3.avi
Part 2
30meg http://images.indymedia.org/imc/washingtondc/media/video/3/power_of_nightmares_1_2of3.avi
Part 3
29meg http://images.indymedia.org/imc/washingtondc/media/video/4/power_of_nightmares_1_3of3.avi
Sorry, but between Fox and BBC (or any of the other news networks), I'll go with the BBC. They have a clear 3rd person view and we can't afford to pass up the opportunity to see how the rest of the world sees us. The only reason that people call the BBC, CNN, and CBS liberal is because they're comparing them to Fox, which is extremely conservative. Most news services are pretty balanced. Just watch Aaron Brown on CNN, he's conservative but looks like a pansie liberal compared to Bill O'Reiley, a staple of Fox.
For those who have watched this I can also recommend Jason Burke's book 'Al-qaeda'. Jason Burke was one of the main sources for the documentary and it is the best researched book into Islamic terrorism I have seen yet.
One interesting part is the detail it sheds on the reaction to the US missile strikes following the embassy bombings in Africa, and how that drove the Taliban toward bin Laden when they were about to hand him over to the Saudi's.
One interesting part is the detail it sheds on the reaction to the US missile strikes following the embassy bombings in Africa, and how that drove the Taliban toward bin Laden when they were about to hand him over to the Saudi's.