[N8 v2.0]

RealClearPolitics.com

ACORN attracted Barack Obama in his youthful community organizing days. Madeline Talbott hired him to train her staff -- the very people who would later descend on Chicago's banks as CRA shakedown artists. The Democratic nominee later funneled money to the group through the Woods Fund, on whose board he sat, and through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, ditto. Obama was not just sympathetic -- he was an ACORN fellow traveler.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10092008/news/politics/nuts__132771.htm

Barkley estimated he'd registered to vote "10 to 15" times after canvassers for ACORN, whose political wing has endorsed Barack Obama, relentlessly pursued him and others.

http://news.sky.com

Eleven separate investigations have now been launched into a voter registration group called the Association of Community Organisations for Reform – or Acorn.

The authorities believe they may have duplicated voter forms, employed convicts to register people and even stolen the names of the American football team the Dallas Cowboys in order to create fake voters.

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7195

The state of Ohio and the heavily Democratic area of Cuyahoga County are yet again embroilled in elections controversy. Claims from area residents that they have been hounded by the community activist group ACORN to register to vote multiple times have sparked an investigation by election officials into ACORN, whose political wing has supported Barack Obama.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_el_ge/voter_fraud

Charlene Davis, co-director of the election board in Jackson County, where Kansas City is, said the fraudulent registration forms came from the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. She said they were bogging down work Wednesday, the final day Missourians could register to vote.

 

[dante]

nice lack of link for the "RCP" article... too bad it was actually from the washingtontimes.com instead.

so a washington times article linking Obama to Acorn (15 years ago?), and then a series of articles about Acorn from today.

yup, nice attempt at distracting the public from the issues that really matter, n8. keep up the good work for your socialist McCain.

 

[N8 v2.0]

nice lack of link for the "RCP" article... too bad it was actually from the washingtontimes.com instead.

so a washington times article linking Obama to Acorn (15 years ago?), and then a series of articles about Acorn from today.

yup, nice attempt at distracting the public from the issues that really matter, n8. keep up the good work for your socialist McCain.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/acorn_obama_and_the_mortgage_m.html

i figured it was at least as importaint mccain's pilot skills 45 years ago..



just using it to illustrate that most here are mindnumbed obamabots.

 

[dante]

most obamabots could care less about mccain's piloting skills... they're a bit more concerned that your candidate is proposing bailing out homeowners and banks directly by handing $300b to banks and writing off that amount from the loans the homeowners owe. so anybody who made a horribly risky loan gets bailed out, anybody who took out a loan for far more than they could afford gets bailed out and the taxpayer gets, um, screwed?

 

[N8 v2.0]

most obamabots could care less about mccain's piloting skills... they're a bit more concerned that your candidate is proposing bailing out homeowners and banks directly by handing $300b to banks and writing off that amount from the loans the homeowners owe. so anybody who made a horribly risky loan gets bailed out, anybody who took out a loan for far more than they could afford gets bailed out and the taxpayer gets, um, screwed?

come on.. mccain and obama are not that much different on this issue...

gotta be something more..

 

[ohio]

Apologies to the crew for the repeat post, but I want it to be crystal clear that this acorn thing is a calculated tactic and part of a broader strategic effort to dienfranchise democratic voters and turn them away from the polls. The story isn't acorn. It's the republicans using non-traditional (admittedly brilliant) methods to affect voter turnouts:

"Accusations and "investigations" of voter fraud are a classic Rovian tactical maneuver used specifically for intimidation of the poor and minorities:
http://harpers.org/archive/2008/03/0081943

 

[N8 v2.0]

..and ohio puts it in teh SPIN cycle...

 

[ohio]

...as if it weren't there already...

:meaninglesssmiley:

 

[$tinkle]

Apologies to the crew for the repeat post, but I want it to be crystal clear that this acorn thing is a calculated tactic and part of a broader strategic effort to dienfranchise democratic voters and turn them away from the polls. The story isn't acorn. It's the republicans using non-traditional (admittedly brilliant) methods to affect voter turnouts:

"Accusations and "investigations" of voter fraud are a classic Rovian tactical maneuver used specifically for intimidation of the poor and minorities:
http://harpers.org/archive/2008/03/0081943

i'm actually not swallowing at face value the report of 105% of indianapolis's county eligible voters being registered. must be something like the numbers are calculated without factoring those who've swapped parties, or changed their affiliation status.

105% seems overly ambitious, even for a clumsy outfit like acorn. if i'm wrong, i still "win"

 

[ohio]

i'm actually not swallowing at face value the report of 105% of indianapolis's county eligible voters being registered. must be something like the numbers are calculated without factoring those who've swapped parties, or changed their affiliation status.

105% seems overly ambitious, even for a clumsy outfit like acorn. if i'm wrong, i still "win"

I actually don't doubt that there are numerous examples of small-time fraud coming out of Acorn. However, my point is that the reason this is hitting the news right now is as part of a strategic effort by the Republican party.

First, registering a dead voter doesn't do you any good. It may help the projections, but it hurts you in the actual polls as you can't get non-existent people to vote. It occurs because Acorn pays it's "volunteers" per registered voter they submit. Some less scrupulous workers take Acorn for a ride. If anyone should be pissed, it's Acorn who ends up paying out for nothing. But again, it has no effect on actual votes - that would require a false ID ring of massive proportions. So it's an irrelevant statistic that sounds really bad and is suddenly making headlines at a very important moment in the campaign cycle...

Second, per my comment about false ID, even if it were intentional fraud, it simply isn't scalable enough to have any real effect on final poll numbers (their registration of ACTUAL voters is scalable... I mean specifically fraudulent votes). If we want to clean the system, we should be focused on scalable efforts for disenfrachisement that are occuring at government levels. See Diebold machines, closing of poll stations, voter intimidation, striking names from registered voter lists, etc.

Third, a similar media effort was pushed hard by the right in the 2004 elections, specifically read the link I posted and follow up about New Mexico . It was investigated and not a single prosecutable case of voter fraud for either side was turned up. The investigating attorney has stated very clearly that he got continuous pressure directly from Republican congressman to pursue these efforts, and that the goal was to intimidate people who weren't sure if they'd registered properly or had proper ID into not showing up and trying to vote. When dealing with communities that have an extremely high distrust of the government this has a massive effect on voter turnout. New Mexico was won by 6,000 votes in 2004.

 

[sanjuro]

I actually don't doubt that there are numerous examples of small-time fraud coming out of Acorn. However, my point is that the reason this is hitting the news right now is as part of a strategic effort by the Republican party.

First, registering a dead voter doesn't do you any good. It may help the projections, but it hurts you in the actual polls as you can't get non-existent people to vote. It occurs because Acorn pays it's volunteers per registered voter they submit. Some less scrupulous volunteers take Acorn for a ride. If anyone should be pissed, it's Acorn who ends up paying out for nothing. But again, it has no effect on actual votes - that would require a false ID ring of massive proportions. So it's an irrelevant statistic that sounds really bad and is suddenly making headlines at a very important moment in the campaign cycle...

Second, per my comment about false ID, even if it were intentional fraud, it simply isn't scalable enough to have any real effect on final poll numbers (their registration of ACTUAL voters is scalable... I mean specifically fraudulent votes). If we want to clean the system, we should be focused on scalable efforts for disenfrachisement that are occuring at government levels. See Diebold machines, closing of poll stations, voter intimidation, striking names from registered voter lists, etc.

Third, a similar media effort was pushed hard by the right in the 2004 elections, specifically read the link I posted and follow up about New Mexico . It was investigated and not a single prosecutable case of voter fraud for either side was turned up. The investigating attorney has stated very clearly that he got continuous pressure directly from Republican congressman to pursue these efforts, and that the goal was to intimidate people who weren't sure if they'd registered properly or had proper ID into not showing up and trying to vote. When dealing with communities that have an extremely high distrust of the government this has a massive effect on voter turnout. New Mexico was won by 6,000 votes in 2004.

Are you really to use facts to defeat N 8?

 

[ohio]

Are you really to use facts to defeat N 8?

I couldn't give a green discharge for N 8. That was for $tinkle.

 

[$tinkle]

from 5 yrs ago: http://wikileaks.org/leak/chicago-the-barack-obama-campaign.pdf

damn mccain's surrogates & their time machines

 

[vibiker]

from 5 yrs ago: http://wikileaks.org/leak/chicago-the-barack-obama-campaign.pdf

damn mccain's surrogates & their time machines

The silence is deafening.

 

[syadasti]

The silence is deafening.

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210367

 

[Defenestrated]

McCain is a maverick for associating with a Left-leaning organization.

Obama is liar and a fraud for associating with the same organization.

:huh:

 

[$tinkle]

McCain is a maverick for associating with a Left-leaning organization.

Obama is liar and a fraud for associating with the same organization.

:huh:

these pretzels are making me thirsty