this is the tourbillon of mountain biking
Ad infinitum from Yeti
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Real mud, like real caked on abrasive mud, yeah, well, more like 4 days of this stuff seems to be the average for one, but either way, a short lifespan. Would probably last a bit longer if you didn't wash it, but you really have no choice. Those days only happen when I go to the lift-assist DH resort because I think the fun outweighs the negatives (otherwise I'd XC in the muck too).You go through BB bearings in a day?
Regardless, I think a BB bearing seal is pretty crude compared to most suspension seals - and while I'm not sure about this particular application, Fox has been using SKF seals on a lot of products recently, which I've found to be quite good.
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This bike is the Aeternitas Mega 4 of bikes.
ok, had to google that thing. 1483 parts in there! only $2.7m! hey-zeus. that enve rimmed yeti seems pretty cheap now, doesn't it?
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haha. the tech nerd in me thinks: wow, this is neat tech. pragmatic me relates to your statement.
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or the Patek Calibre 89!
Yes, actual data would be nice instead of just numerous reports of EndurBro-speak.
How does it do with prolonged descents? Temperature/elevation changes? Anything empirical or just "nah it's all good bro"?
How does it do with prolonged descents? Temperature/elevation changes? Anything empirical or just "nah it's all good bro"?
Yes but what happens after it goes up? Does it go down immediately? Does it go down fast? Does it become very forward in the later parts of the travel? Wouldn't that be hurting stability when reaching bottom out? You can have rearward travel with normal links so I assume the whole magic thing is what happens after the initial rearwardness.
Afraid teh carbonz will burn up on re-entry?
Looks pretty cool and as long as the Kashima doesn't fall of or seals need replacing every few rides, surely Marz could have made those bits.
It's actually not. While there's nothing wrong with a well designed single pivot anyway, that implies a single constant radius arc over the axle path, whereas this design allows deviation from that.
Of course you can have good and bad deviations, but judging by the main pivot migration profile here, the resultant changes to the anti-squat curve (increase in AS towards and beyond sag point with decrease towards end of travel to minimise pedal feedback) suggest that they have at least some idea about what they're doing.
At the very least I think it's cool to see different ways of achieving the same thing, especially when some existing designs are patented.
Because all the nerds need data to argue over on a bike they have never ridden. I'm ashamed it doesn't come with the linkage tapped for a temperature sensor so you can monitor during gnar descents to make sure your linkage isn't overheating.
i actually contributed something to a thread here, please dont piss on my parade.
how can anyone know if it's even worth a test ride if we can't see the graphs and numbers and stuff first?
Leverage and axle path data is never going to tell you if a bike rides really well, but it will tell you if it's gonna ride really ****ty, or contrary to what the marketing hype would have you think otherwise.
And yeah, we now have to think about our damn linkages overheating. Sign of the times perhaps?
And yeah, we now have to think about our damn linkages overheating. Sign of the times perhaps?
Riding a bike also tells you how it rides.
who has time for that?
bit of an insult to Yeti in my opinion.
it is much easier to use 10 min break to argue on internet than prepare lycra pants, SPD shoes and go out
This is why I normally start demo'ing a XS bike and work my way up through the sizes until I found the right one.
F*** gathering some info and make a conscious decision which bike in which size you want to demo.
Overheating linkages? Well fvck me running, guess I will use my bottle cage after all.
I just like how many people call it garbage or it's going to fail/ride like crap/insert armchair engineer remarks here and it's barely even been released to the general public. Same goes for everything else though. You have a bunch of 'experts' that like to argue measurements and specs down to the gnat's ass.
yes my comment was like totally serious.
Nobody said that at all? People just want something besides marketing hype for something that's a radical departure from the norm. That goes for any industry.
seems like it'll have more of an axle "area" than an actual "path"
frank had a prototype bike like that years ago at sinister, can't remember the name but started with a "V"
frank had a prototype bike like that years ago at sinister, can't remember the name but started with a "V"
Ohs sh!t, an axle area? Now you're bringing quantum physics all up in this piece. It's the electron cloud of bike suspension. Take that DW and joeg
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wait, saying that the infinity link is, while quite beautiful and intricate, a complication that achieves something that was debatably important a long time ago and really is just art for art's sake in the current world is an insult?
So it looks weird.
The last version is/was tits, and yeti claims this improves one of the less-than-desirable characteristics AND is lighter. New designs are new. You can't be limited by conventional thinking when trying to build/improve your 'thing', whatever that thing may be.
If only they had achieved the same movement with a small link and bearings ...
The last version is/was tits, and yeti claims this improves one of the less-than-desirable characteristics AND is lighter. New designs are new. You can't be limited by conventional thinking when trying to build/improve your 'thing', whatever that thing may be.
If only they had achieved the same movement with a small link and bearings ...
it's a normal axle path just like any dual short link bike. This uses a really complicated pivoting pivot to bypass a potential patent battle on short links that rotate then counterrotate. The axle paths and AS curves on the SB series don't even seem that crazy.
Yeti has presented many different suspension designs throughout their history. All of them were "the tits" according to their marketing department. And now look how many of them are still around? If you have a great system it needs tweaking to keep it up to date, VPP, Maestro, FSR, DW, single pivot come to mind. Why reinvent the wheel all the time if your system is performing awesome anyways?
But I know, John P gave the answer that involves schlong and women. I am just waiting how they market the womens version of the bike.
I'm with you 100% on this one. IMO it was much more to do with business than anything else. (I rode the same frame for over 10 years because it rode great, and only disappeared due to patent conflict.) Did somebody say the Switch design was licensed from elsewhere? That could be reason enough to work on a "same but different" design. Even IF the 'old' switch patent wasn't secure or exclusive to Yeti, the bikes work really, really well. I don't see any reason for this change other than what I said in the last post, they improved it and made it lighter.
Winner winner, chicken dinner.
Yeti is tired of paying fees to others based on patent "issues".
...but mostly they needed a bigger spot to stash the safety meeting goods now that the ganja is legal up there.
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Correct, the axle path is still fully constrained.
Nick, what they said about the old system being really sensitive to tolerances and deflection right around the inflection point 100% makes sense. From that standpoint at least, this design is a way better idea.
Tourbillon is useless oil sheikh man jewelry imho... hopefully a new Yeti suspension design has utility in the world of mountain biking.
cool enderpo vid! The San Juans are epic and also glad I didn't have to cover my face due to XC riding with goggles on.