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adoption as an arguement against abortion?

jacksonpt

jacksonpt

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I don't want this to turn into a pro-life vs pro-choice arguement, but I'm not sure if it can be avoided. Anyways...

I saw a bumper sticker this morning that basically said adoption was better than abortion... making the arguement that having a kid and putting it up for adoption is a "better" option than having an abortion.

I'm not sure adoption is a good arguement against abortion, considering all the crap and the risk that is inherent in the adoption process/system. I'm sure there are daily cases where adoptions go very well - the legal/paperwork stuff goes smoothly, the kid is decent, the parents are loving, etc. But there are also WAY too many cases where the kids are troubled, flounder in the system until the system kicks them out, where they end up making nothing of themselves and are constantly in and out of trouble.

So, is adoption is valid arguement agaist abortion? I say no, but...
 
BurlyShirley

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The philosophical debate between whether abortion is indeed murder or not has to be decided before you can call the two "options" of one another. Obviously, as a human, Id rather be shuffled around foster homes than murdered.
 
LordOpie

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It definitely is a better option... if all those people who are anti-abortion re-directed their energy and effort to getting kids adopted by decent families and adopting one or two themselves.
 
jacksonpt

jacksonpt

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BurlyShirley said:
Obviously, as a human, Id rather be shuffled around foster homes than murdered.
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True, but you're here and alive. I don't mean this as harshly as it's going to sound, but if you were aborted, you wouldn't know what life was like... you wouldn't know what murder was because it's all you'd have known.

If that made any sense.
 
Slugman

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Adoption is a much better option IMHO. There are PLENTY of parents out there that are just waiting to adopt a child. The US system is so F'ed up that many of them go to Russia, China, Africa, etc. Part of the problem with the US system is 'parental rights'. Depending on the state, the parents may have the right to come back a couple of years later and claim the child.

This is of course after you pay their medical expenses plus living expenses and fee's during the pregnancy. The price tag for adopting a child can be anywhere from $30,000 to over $100,000 depending on the situation.

My sister can't have kids of her own, so she adopts. She has a son who just turned 3, and got a VERY special Christmas present this year - on Dec. 20th she was informed that a woman had given birth to a little girl and that my sister was going to be able to adopt her.

She (sister) only adopts from certain states. Her son was from Texas where you have to wait 2 weeks before you can leave the state. However once those 2 weeks are up, the parents can not claim the child. Her daughter was born in NJ, she has to wait 10 business days for the state to clear all the paperwork before she can leave the state, and after 120 days neither parent can claim the child.

So right now she is at home with a baby girl that may or may not be here daughter, we'll know for sure mid April.

As for getting a screwed up kid or a foster kid. The problem there is that those kids, for whatever reason, are usually older and have been in the system for a while. If you get them when they are an infant - the only problem with the child is how you raise them.
 
jacksonpt

jacksonpt

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Slugman said:
As for getting a screwed up kid or a foster kid. The problem there is that those kids, for whatever reason, are usually older and have been in the system for a while. If you get them when they are an infant - the only problem with the child is how you raise them.
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ah, good point.
 
stinkyboy

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Slugman said:
There are PLENTY of parents out there that are just waiting to adopt a child. The US system is so F'ed up that many of them go to Russia, China, Africa, etc.
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There are millions of kids in the world whose live would probably be better by bringing them to the US. What difference does the kids nationality have?
 
Slugman

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LordOpie said:
I think Slug is saying that the US's system needs improving. That's all.
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Yup. It's the system not the child that is the problem.

Although you'll hear horror stories from everywhere.

China and Russia make you visit the child and then send you home. Then they call weeks later and let you know if you get the child. If you get the child, you have 24 hours to get there.

I also heard recently that Russia no longer allows newborns to leave the country. You have to wait until they are 1 year old. So unless you can afford to go live there, you lose a good chunk of the time that a child develops its personality.
 
BMXman

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my wife and I are able to have kids but we may consider adoption after the next one...there are so many kids out there that need good homes...seems kind of selfish to me to not try and help. It doesn't really matter to me if the child has my blood running through them...I will take care of them just the same...D
 
MMike

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BMXman said:
my wife and I are able to have kids but we may consider adoption after the next one...there are so many kids out there that need good homes...seems kind of selfish to me to not try and help. It doesn't really matter to me if the child has my blood running through them...I will take care of them just the same...D
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That's sort of what my parents did. they had me and Da Peach. They decided they wanted another kid....which is how we ended up with our vietnamese foster brother. (A few years older than me)
 
BMXman

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MMike said:
That's sort of what my parents did. they had me and Da Peach. They decided they wanted another kid....which is how we ended up with our vietnamese foster brother. (A few years older than me)
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on day we will meet...as soon as you wise up and move back home :D
 
$tinkle

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a conundrum:

if woman w/ child offers up her in-utero life-form in the first trimester, and the would-be adoptive parents are having 2nd thoughts, can they have the fetus aborted?
 
H8R

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Pro-lifers should like, totally adopt abortions. If they are so in touch with God, he can bring them back. Then they'd have little zombie-fetus babies to take care of.

Then the little grey zombie foster babies can drink blood from the mother's nipples. Fvck yeah.
 
LordOpie

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$tinkle said:
a conundrum:

if woman w/ child offers up her in-utero life-form in the first trimester, and the would-be adoptive parents are having 2nd thoughts, can they have the fetus aborted?
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Are you serious? No, the fetus is then automatically signed by the Oakland Raiders.
 
Secret Squirrel

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$tinkle said:
a conundrum:

if woman w/ child offers up her in-utero life-form in the first trimester, and the would-be adoptive parents are having 2nd thoughts, can they have the fetus aborted?
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Only if they're really, really, really sorry and look like the girl in your avy. Then it's ok.

H8R said:
Pro-lifers should like, totally adopt abortions. If they are so in touch with God, he can bring them back. Then they'd have little zombie-fetus babies to take care of.

Then the little grey zombie foster babies can drink blood from the mother's nipples. Fvck yeah.
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You need a hobby....
 
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