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Afghanistan, Pakistan Angry at Newsweek
API | May 17 | STEPHEN GRAHAM

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) - Afghanistan's government said Tuesday that Newsweek should be held responsible for damages caused by deadly anti-American demonstrations after the magazine alleged U.S. desecration of the Quran, and it suggested that foreign forces may have helped turn protests violent.
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[Skookum]

i should go buy a quran and use it to wipe my butt. then i'll convert to islam and act out against the atrocity by dumping gasoline on myself and lighting myself on fire.

 

[Silver]

i should go buy a quran and use it to wipe my butt. then i'll convert to islam and act out against the atrocity by dumping gasoline on myself and lighting myself on fire.

Self immolation is more Buddist, I think.

 

[Jr_Bullit]

After reading these many articles on my various websites, I'm beginning to think our web developer here in our office is a model of bushism at its finest.

 

[steelewheels]

So if news week is responsible for the viloence this week, can bush be held to task for the past 5 years of violence?

 

[OrthoPT]

I found an article at National Review Online that I thought you'd like to
see:

http://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200505171307.asp

a thoughtful piece

 

[steelewheels]

I found an article at National Review Online that I thought you'd like to
see: http://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200505171307.asp

a thoughtful piece

That is a good arcticle! sums up my feelings on the situation to a tee! Just pass the blame on to something else to avoid dealing with the real problem.

 

[Changleen]

I found an article at National Review Online that I thought you'd like to
see:

http://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200505171307.asp

a thoughtful piece

Yes - Thoughtful like George Bush is thoughtful. Blinkered and racist might be more appropriate. Thanks for reminding me about the 'culture that either cannot or will not rein in a hate ideology that fuels killing' that exists in the US.

 

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http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/IraqCoverage/story?id=766276&page=1

 

[Westy]

Self immolation is more Buddist, I think.

I like to immolate others, especially people who drive slow in the left lane.

 

[OrthoPT]

Yes - Thoughtful like George Bush is thoughtful. Blinkered and racist might be more appropriate. Thanks for reminding me about the 'culture that either cannot or will not rein in a hate ideology that fuels killing' that exists in the US.

Jesus. Did you even read or finish the article? The point, I think, was that the people who rioted, and killed innocent people, didn't need a reason so much as an excuse to go berserk. One excerpt you may have missed states that the US is "a place where crucifixes immersed in urine and Madonna replicas composed of feces are occasions for government funding, not murderous uprisings." And further "I inhabit a world in which my government seeks accommodation with Saudi Arabia and China and Egypt, places where the practice of Christianity results in imprisonment...or worse; in which Jews have been driven from almost every country in the Middle East, and in which the goal of destroying their country, Israel, is viewed by much of the globe as legitimate foreign policy; and in which being a Christian, an animist, or the wrong kind of Muslim in Sudan is grounds for genocide — something the vaunted United Nations seems to regard as more of a spectator sport than a cause of action." Do yourself a favor and read the rest of the piece

 

[OrthoPT]

Yes - Thoughtful like George Bush is thoughtful. Blinkered and racist might be more appropriate. Thanks for reminding me about the 'culture that either cannot or will not rein in a hate ideology that fuels killing' that exists in the US.

Jesus. Did you even read or finish the article? The point, I think, was that the people who rioted, and killed innocent people, didn't need a reason so much as an excuse to go berserk.

One excerpt you may have missed states that the US is "a place where crucifixes immersed in urine and Madonna replicas composed of feces are occasions for government funding, not murderous uprisings." And further "I inhabit a world in which my government seeks accommodation with Saudi Arabia and China and Egypt, places where the practice of Christianity results in imprisonment...or worse; in which Jews have been driven from almost every country in the Middle East, and in which the goal of destroying their country, Israel, is viewed by much of the globe as legitimate foreign policy; and in which being a Christian, an animist, or the wrong kind of Muslim in Sudan is grounds for genocide — something the vaunted United Nations seems to regard as more of a spectator sport than a cause of action." Now, which is the "culture that either cannot or will not rein in a hate ideology that fuels killing"?

Do yourself a favor and read the rest of the piece next time before you respond.

 

[Changleen]

Jesus. Did you even read or finish the article? The point, I think, was that the people who rioted, and killed innocent people, didn't need a reason so much as an excuse to go berserk. One excerpt you may have missed states that the US is "a place where crucifixes immersed in urine and Madonna replicas composed of feces are occasions for government funding, not murderous uprisings." And further "I inhabit a world in which my government seeks accommodation with Saudi Arabia and China and Egypt, places where the practice of Christianity results in imprisonment...or worse; in which Jews have been driven from almost every country in the Middle East, and in which the goal of destroying their country, Israel, is viewed by much of the globe as legitimate foreign policy; and in which being a Christian, an animist, or the wrong kind of Muslim in Sudan is grounds for genocide — something the vaunted United Nations seems to regard as more of a spectator sport than a cause of action." Do yourself a favor and read the rest of the piece

Uhhh, Yes, I did read it. AND I understood it. Wow.

So you say the point of the article was to explain how Muslims don't need a reason to go Beserk. I'd pretty much agree that that was the point he was trying to get across. He also finished off by attempting to point out how Islam is a 'culture that either cannot or will not rein in a hate ideology that fuels killing'. Damn, doesn't Islam suck? We'd better watch out for those dirty ragheads! All good racist stuff. I also particularly like the way he he spent so much time dealing with the question of why Islam is so annoyed with the west, America in particular, that more and more people feel the need to make gestures like this. That's an easy one for you isn't it? "Because they're fundamentalist terrorists." Yes. Well done. Have a gold star. Good job we in the west are SOOO tollerant. Just look how tollerant we are, writing articles like this to prove it. Please, lets not confuse the poor, terrified American people by making them think about the reasons for anything, or even worse to question them.

Wake up.

 

[dan-o]

Regardless of where you stand on the war, you gotta ask if the disrespect (perceived or real) of a religous book by someone you already consider an infidel is really worthy of starting a riot and going ape**** in your own country.

 

[Changleen]

Regardless of where you stand on the war, you gotta ask if the disrespect (perceived or real) of a religous book by someone you already consider an infidel is really worthy of starting a riot and going ape**** in your own country.

Straws and Camels backs?

 

[dan-o]

Straws and Camels backs?

I prefer "Drama queens".

 

[Changleen]

I prefer "Drama queens".

So what would you call a country who responded to the death of 3000 of it's citizens by invading a totally unrelated country and killing 150,000+ people? What about a country who supported the ongoing repression and killing of thousands of people by a regional proxy? What about a country that has systematically used it's power to overthrow legitimatly elected leaders, installed puppet governments, armed opposing factions, killed hundreds of thousands with economic sanctions and generally abused it's power for the last 80 years in order to leverage it's own selfish ends? The difference between the US population and that of the rest of the world is that the rest of the world can remember what happened more than a couple of years ago.

 

[OrthoPT]

So what would you call a country who responded to the death of 3000 of it's citizens by invading a totally unrelated country and killing 150,000+ people? What about a country who supported the ongoing repression and killing of thousands of people by a regional proxy? What about a country that has systematically used it's power to overthrow legitimatly elected leaders, installed puppet governments, armed opposing factions, killed hundreds of thousands with economic sanctions and generally abused it's power for the last 80 years in order to leverage it's own selfish ends?

I think I might call it the USSR under Stalin.

 

[dan-o]

So what would you call a country who responded to the death of 3000 of it's citizens by invading a totally unrelated country and killing 150,000+ people? What about a country who supported the ongoing repression and killing of thousands of people by a regional proxy? What about a country that has systematically used it's power to overthrow legitimatly elected leaders, installed puppet governments, armed opposing factions, killed hundreds of thousands with economic sanctions and generally abused it's power for the last 80 years in order to leverage it's own selfish ends? The difference between the US population and that of the rest of the world is that the rest of the world can remember what happened more than a couple of years ago.

That falls under "freedom" in these parts.

As an Englishman, you can ask yourself all those questions as well. Your hands aren't clean, the bloods just older.

 

[Silver]

So what would you call a country who responded to the death of 3000 of it's citizens by invading a totally unrelated country and killing 150,000+ people? What about a country who supported the ongoing repression and killing of thousands of people by a regional proxy? What about a country that has systematically used it's power to overthrow legitimatly elected leaders, installed puppet governments, armed opposing factions, killed hundreds of thousands with economic sanctions and generally abused it's power for the last 80 years in order to leverage it's own selfish ends? The difference between the US population and that of the rest of the world is that the rest of the world can remember what happened more than a couple of years ago.

Blessed by Jesus Christ.

 

[Changleen]

That falls under "freedom" in these parts.

That's a strange dictionary you got going over there...

As an Englishman, you can ask yourself all those questions as well. Your hands aren't clean, the bloods just older.

Oh, I know. England was also a direct supporter of the recent bull**** too. However, MY hands are clean, as are probably yours. We are talking about the deeds of our wonderful leaders. That's one of the reasons I left the UK to join a more sensible society. My tax dollar no longer pays for such BS.

 

[Changleen]

Blessed by Jesus Christ.

That's funny in a black humour kinda way.

 

[$tinkle]

After reading these many articles on my various websites, I'm beginning to think our web developer here in our office is a model of bushism at its finest.

shouldn't come as a surprise, much like in your field you have the jab: "those who can't do, teach; those who can't teach, teach gym", we (codemonkeys) also have a mantra: "those who can't code, do webpages"

 

[Changleen]

shouldn't come as a surprise, much like in your field you have the jab: "those who can't do, teach; those who can't teach, teach gym", we (codemonkeys) also have a mantra: "those who can't code, do webpages"

Ah, Dude. Doing webpages is way easier and more fun, and you get paid the same or more.

 

[$tinkle]

So you say the point of the article was to explain how Muslims don't need a reason to go Beserk. I'd pretty much agree that that was the point he was trying to get across. He also finished off by attempting to point out how Islam is a 'culture that either cannot or will not rein in a hate ideology that fuels killing'. Damn, doesn't Islam suck? We'd better watch out for those dirty ragheads! All good racist stuff. I also particularly like the way he he spent so much time dealing with the question of why Islam is so annoyed with the west, America in particular, that more and more people feel the need to make gestures like this. That's an easy one for you isn't it? "Because they're fundamentalist terrorists."

what article were you reading? i have these key sentences:

• "The reason for the carnage here was, and is, militant Islam. Nothing more."
• "We expect, accept, and silently tolerate militant Muslim savagery — lots of it."
• "We...offer no judgment about the societal dysfunction that allows this grade of offense to trigger so cataclysmic a reaction. "
• "In my world, militant Muslims, capitalizing on the respectful deference of others [he's talking right at you, Changleen!], have been known tactically to desecrate the Koran themselves: by rigging it with explosives, by using it to secrete and convey terrorist messages, and, yes, even by toilet-flushing parts of it for the nuisance value of flooding the bathrooms at Guantanamo Bay. Just as they have used mosques as sanctuaries, as weapons depots, and as snipers' nests."

you need to embrace your inner bigot by your lumping of all Muslims as these hooligans.

Just look how tollerant we are, writing articles like this to prove it.

and that's exactly right! we write articles, not set crap on fire or go beating browns to a bloody pulp (we're far more arbitrary when it comes to wonton violence in our streets)

Please, lets not confuse the poor, terrified American people by making them think about the reasons for anything, or even worse to question them.

so that's the sound of one hand clapping...

 

[$tinkle]

So what would you call a country who responded to the death of 3000 of it's citizens by invading a totally unrelated country and killing 150,000+ people? What about a country who supported the ongoing repression and killing of thousands of people by a regional proxy? What about a country that has systematically used it's power to overthrow legitimatly elected leaders, installed puppet governments, armed opposing factions, killed hundreds of thousands with economic sanctions and generally abused it's power for the last 80 years in order to leverage it's own selfish ends? The difference between the US population and that of the rest of the world is that the rest of the world can remember what happened more than a couple of years ago.

i can tell we're winning the WOT when you have to invoke central america & the 80's.


150,000+? is that in pinkbike feet?

 

[$tinkle]

Blessed by Jesus Christ.

That's funny in a black humour kinda way.

see/rent the last supper

summary: "A group of idealistic, but frustrated, liberals succumb to the temptation of murdering rightwing pundits for their political beliefs"

 

[Changleen]

Appologist stuff...

So you're really saying that you can't see the utterly racist tone of that article? Fair enough, we (probably all of us) find it ridiculous to die (or kill) over the treatment of a book, but 1) This isn't really what this is about, it's about long term oppresion and 2) you're in serious danger of doing the lowest common denominator again.

Anyway the whole point of this was, if the US wasn't known to be flouting human rights conventions whilst espousing freedom and democracy, regardless of the 20 odd people who died, you wouldn't now have another x thousand previously moderate Muslims who now think the US is evil.

 

[Changleen]

see/rent the last supper

summary: "A group of idealistic, but frustrated, liberals succumb to the temptation of murdering rightwing pundits for their political beliefs"

Thanks, I'll try and rent it.

 

[Changleen]

i can tell we're winning the WOT when you have to invoke central america & the 80's.


150,000+? is that in pinkbike feet?

I can tell you're winning the wot when global figures for the number of 'terrorist' attacks start to go down. Shockingly enough, since Bush declared war, they've headed in precisely the opposite direction.

 

[Changleen]

150,000+? is that in pinkbike feet?

No, It's 40,000,000 in Pinkbike feet. Those are proper RideMonkey feet.

 

[Silver]

Anyway the whole point of this was, if the US wasn't known to be flouting human rights conventions whilst espousing freedom and democracy, regardless of the 20 odd people who died, you wouldn't now have another x thousand previously moderate Muslims who now think the US is evil.

Personally, I'm more worried about the folks in $tinkle's hometown. They are going to have more of an effect on my recent future than a bunch of Muslims who are pissed off.

Both sets are religious nuts, of course. One set is a little more crazy, but they usually are further away. It's a weird balancing act...

 

[$tinkle]

I can tell you're winning the wot when global figures for the number of 'terrorist' attacks start to go down. Shockingly enough, since Bush declared war, they've headed in precisely the opposite direction.

there's certainly been an uptick in iraq, but globally, methinks things are going rather swimmingly (excepting for hooligans spitting on meter maids in the U.K., of course)

 

[$tinkle]

Personally, I'm more worried about the folks in $tinkle's hometown. They are going to have more of an effect on my recent future than a bunch of Muslims who are pissed off.

true; we've got gay spray

 

[Changleen]

there's certainly been an uptick in iraq, but globally, methinks things are going rather swimmingly (excepting for hooligans spitting on meter maids in the U.K., of course)

Are you serious? Well, I suppose if it's not on Fox it's not happening...

 

[$tinkle]

Are you serious? Well, I suppose if it's not on Fox it's not happening...

it's getting worse: in the UK not only are meter maids being targeted, so are rail workers, & bus drivers.

you are correct about foxnews: they blatantly ignored this worst kind of (obviously) out-of-control anti-social behaviour

 

[Changleen]

it's getting worse: in the UK not only are meter maids being targeted, so are rail workers, & bus drivers.

you are correct about foxnews: they blatantly ignored this worst kind of (obviously) out-of-control anti-social behaviour

Ah, The UK's population at it's finest. Beating up the people who run public services and making their own lives more difficult. Oh, and meter 'maids' - that's a real distortion of the type of people who do that job. Think more along the lines of the people who clean the toilets in McDonalds.

 

[Changleen]

there's certainly been an uptick in iraq, but globally, methinks things are going rather swimmingly (excepting for hooligans spitting on meter maids in the U.K., of course)

Sorry to piss on your fireworks:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/30/AR2005043000907.html?sub=AR
http://www.isn.ethz.ch/news/sw/details.cfm?id=11191