does anybody know if you can buy the santa cruz v10 floating brake seperately from the frame. i might be buying one used that doesnt have it and would like to know if i can still get it. any help would be appreciated, thanks
Aftermarket V10 Floating Brake Kit??
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Pretty funny that the website was copyrighted in 1999. I think I should get one of those forks...6.3lbs, 7", wonder why they didn't take off?!?!
Slacker said:
Here's a pic of our (Therapy Components/Brake Therapy) V-10 floater. There's a review posted somewhere around here, I might be able to find it if you're interested.PBbike679 said:
Works much better than the stock V-10 floater, which most people thought was pretty ineffective. This is mainly due to t he fact that the rod attached to the suspension link instead of the frame.
We might be able to work with your existing hub and dropouts, and we have a money back guarantee that you'll love it.
Sorry for the (still) outdated website. I promise (again) a new one before the end of the year, too busy makin parts.scofflaw23 said:
Here's the deal on the fork, came out with it in '95. Retail price $3500 with a built wheel and Hayes brake (actually the first one had a formula cause Hayes didn't exist then). There wasn't much competition, so we sold a few. Then cheap forks hit the market, and people didn't know or care how they worked, they were cheap.
This also kinda happened with rear shocks. Now people are asking for more performance and there's a market for more expensive items. We will be introducing our rear shock line at interbike, and hope to get the retail price on the fork down to $2000 or so.
Why so expensive? Finite element analysis design for constant stress from top to bottom. This means the stachions, machined from solid round 2" 7075 billet, are tapered internally, with a different taper externally, for a tapered wall thickness all the way down. Monstrously expensive to machine. 7005 sliders with a proprietary finish, glass smooth, and no one has worn thru yet. Seals that last. External compression and rebound adjustment with wing nuts you can turn with gloves on (while riding if you're brave enough). The most expensive bushings you can buy, last a lifetime.
Throw in limited quantity machined in the states by guys that actually make money, and it's not cheap. But it works.
We still sell a few, but lowering the price should help a lot.
I think he meant that the external taper is normal, and as such does not match the internal taper.Slugman said:An external taper on the stanchion...- must have some really cool seals and very interesting internal geometery to pull that off!
It's like one of those circular shutter orfice seals, you know like in Bond flicks.....jk.Slugman said:An external taper on the stanchion...
I call the stanchion the upper, and its an upside down fork. I call the slider the lower, wich is a constant external diameter.
Can you please elaborate?shock said:
Is this deal available for any of your floaters, or just the V10? Also, the details (time frame, how is the $ refunded... etc) on the guarantee.
That's pretty cool that you guys are doing this. To be honest, I wasn't't even thinking about trying/buying one because of the price. This isn't a reflection on your build quality; I just not willing to part with that much $$ to satisfy my curiosity. But if there's a satisfaction guarantee... well, that kinda changes the situation.
The money back guarantee applies to anything we make, floaters, disc brake adaptors, sinner derailler guards, forks or shocks. You get 30 days to test it, and as long as you didn't do something dumb to damage it (like run over your bike with your truck), the refund would be in the same form as your payment, ie, if you paid with a credit card, we'll credit your card back, full purchase including shipping.Slacker said:
The truth is that we don't give any money back, because nobody has asked. Try one of our floaters and you will love it. Period. It's worth the money, and let's your trick expensive shock keep working when you need it most.
I wish we could make them cheaper, but as I said above about the forks, making custom machined products in the US is expensive, but I just can't quite come to grips with putting people out of work here just to make stuff cheaper. We offer the guarentee to remove any fear/misinformation about floaters, and of course we're very confidant in our quality and performance of our products.
If you want further info, let me know what bike, brakes and hubs you're running, or email me at braketherapy@therapycomponents.com
Brian
Didn't want you to think I was ripping on you, though you have to admit it's kinda funny that your webpage is circa 5 years ago. I think a lot of people would assume that you're out of business.
I also applaud your business ethics and commitment to quality and performance rather than meeting a price point. Also, a money back gaurantee is a pretty awesome thing.
I also applaud your business ethics and commitment to quality and performance rather than meeting a price point. Also, a money back gaurantee is a pretty awesome thing.
That's awesome, you got me feeling all warm and fuzzy!shock said:
The same reason why I like Chris King. Yes he makes great stuff, but he makes sure his employees make a decent wage, and produces everything in the states.
Glad to know there are a few people in this world who care more about people than money.
Hey, rippin on me is fine, as long as it's fair (or not?!?!). You know, when we came out with the new website in'99, it was pretty damn state of the art, except for the lameoids who weren't on broadband and couldn't deal with flash.scofflaw23 said:
We're definetely not out of business, and a new site IS in the works, but when I say we're too busy makin parts to work on a new website, it's true! Advertising and promotional work in general, costs a lot of time and money.
Why doesn't Hadley even have a website? Cause they're too damn busy just making parts to worry about it. I wish we were as busy as Hadley, but the same principle applies.
So, commitment to quality and performance? Thanks, that's the only way to go racing. I've always said I'm the worst at marketing and can't design to meet a price point to save my ass (ask my accountant!!!)
Money back guarentee? Largely a response to the naysayers (who haven't used our products) that think we're selling snake oil, or that we're scamming.
The floater is a significant improvement. It's not a subtle thing that you have to think about whether it's better or not. It's obvious the first time you hit the brakes in the rough stuff. MONEY BACK GUARANTEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nobody asks for their money back. Icluding the much revered fsr/horst bikes (m-1 etc)
We do make a floater for the DHI. The retail price is US$295.00. Usually to the UK, we ship via USPS priority mail (3-5 days shipping, go lance) for $25.00.- seb said:
The floater has all the parts to work with the stock hadley 12 mm hub, and Hayes or IS brakes with an 8"/203mm disc
You have a #8 caliper, correct?- seb said:
To run a 185mm rotor you will need a #5 caliper, for a 205mm rotor you will need a #3 caliper.
I installed the Brake Therepy FB on my Bullit about 2 months ago and it has completely changed the way I feel about it. It has changed the way I ride the bike. I feel it has made me faster as I now can brake in sections of trail that I couldn't before. Instead of having to brake before the section because it was too rough I can enter it with much more speed and brake where I need to. It has improved the braking characteristics so much, that I will never buy another bike unless it can be used with a floating brake. I love mine!! :love:
Yes, the 222 I used to have had a floating brake on it, and it's the one aspect that is letting down my new bike (DHi). Everyone who says that floaters aren't necessary haven't tried one - the difference they make is unbelievable, and something you don't necessarily know about until you've tried it.
It's a little more than that, too. It's kind of about supporting the country you live and make your living in. This isn't a patriotic thing, it's more about contributing to the ecomony and general economic health of the place that you live.Jesus said:That's awesome, you got me feeling all warm and fuzzy!
The same reason why I like Chris King. Yes he makes great stuff, but he makes sure his employees make a decent wage, and produces everything in the states.
Glad to know there are a few people in this world who care more about people than money.
You should be able to start and have a business where you live, and use local talent and resources to do so. It's not easy in the U.S. and there are many reasons why.
I've been told by many that they nearly went broke trying, and eventually moved production to taiwan in order to survive, and that I'm a fool for trying. I hope the future doesn't provr them correct!!!! But if nobody tries, that gaurentees it can't happen.
Besides, money's overated, if I was after money, I'd get a job...
Off soapbox
We do have a kit you can use with a 185mm disc and a #5 caliper, or a 205mm disc and a #3.- seb said:Hmm, I have a 185mm M4 at the moment so would have to fork out for a new brake too?
Tell ya what, I'll make you a site in exchange for a floater or two
Same offer goes out to Hadley if they're listening
And thanks for the offer on the website, if our site designer doesn't get off the stall and finish the new one, I might be interested. The new one is about half way done.
Brian,
This is joel, you make me a custom floater for the 20mm RR rear axle on my super 8 a couple years ago.
anyway, i recently bought a v10 and it has a floater already. d0 you have a upgrade kit with the rod and hardware to connect my factory floater to the frame instead of the vpp link?
thanks!!
joel
This is joel, you make me a custom floater for the 20mm RR rear axle on my super 8 a couple years ago.
anyway, i recently bought a v10 and it has a floater already. d0 you have a upgrade kit with the rod and hardware to connect my factory floater to the frame instead of the vpp link?
thanks!!
joel
Hey Joel, I was just thinkin about you and that RR hub, someone just asked me about it.....I'd rather talk them out of it.........joel hester said:
Our v-10 floater is completely different. Even the axle tube in the hub is different, as well as floater bearings, floater bracket (to get the right geometry), rod, rod ends, etc.
If you just hooked the stock floater up to the frame, you wouldn't like it (especially because the rod would hit the swingarm as the suspension compressed), but of course I guarantee you'll like ours....