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Al-Qaeda jihad vs US 'long war'

Changleen

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BurlyShirley said:
So its common courtesy to let fundamentalist muslims destroy israel, kill people who make mohammad cartoons, stone chicks who get raped, etc.. gotcha!:rolleyes:
Ignoring the stoning thing because it actually has nothing to do with this, (we're talking about militant Islma fighting the West, not the cruelty of sharia law) have either of those things actually happened? No. I wonder why that is? Because the people who threaten them have no power to carry them out. Their threats are given legitimacy by only your irrational fear. That is all. Who tells you to be scared?
 

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Changleen said:
Ignoring the stoning thing because it actually has nothing to do with this, (we're talking about militant Islma fighting the West, not the cruelty of sharia law) have either of those things actually happened? No. I wonder why that is? Because the people who threaten them have no power to carry them out. Their threats are given legitimacy by only your irrational fear. That is all. Who tells you to be scared?
You're sort of making my point. The things they want are impossible and irrational, yet they still strap bombs to themselves to attempt such things. Its ridiculous. I have no fear, just contempt.
 

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BurlyShirley said:
Its not really about who hates us, its about who has the supporting infrastructure to harm us. Their fundamentalist culture IS INCAPABLE of peaceful coexistance with ours, something has to give.
Their 'fundamentalist culture' was and is also completly incapable of harming you until you gave it a reason to want to do so, and to think it could. Even now it is probably years away at best to having a serious ability to slightly harm you.

And maybe, if you ignore the grey area that is reality and follow your logic through to it's 1/0 ending, the thing that needs to give isn't their entire existance but the fundamentalist ideals of both sides? No absolute truths means no need for absolute solutions.
 

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BurlyShirley said:
You're sort of making my point. The things they want are impossible and irrational, yet they still strap bombs to themselves to attempt such things. Its ridiculous. I have no fear, just contempt.
How are a few crazy religious people strapping bombs to themselves in their home country IN ANY WAY a threat to the US?

You say you only feel contempt, good for you :think: , but your country is acting like it is presented with the most serious of threats. It is not. It is a manufactured crisis which serves the interests of those in power.
 

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Changleen said:
Their 'fundamentalist culture' was and is also completly incapable of harming you until you gave it a reason to want to do so, and to think it could. Even now it is probably years away at best to having a serious ability to slightly harm you.
What the hell are you even talking about? One bullet from one crazed nutjob could harm me.
 

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Changleen said:
It is a manufactured crisis which serves the interests of those in power.
I guess bringing up Sept. 11 would be of no use since you thin the govt. was behind it, but in reality, that WAS a crisis situation of the utmost magnitude.
 

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BurlyShirley said:
What the hell are you even talking about? One bullet from one crazed nutjob could harm me.
You are so selfish. We're talking about the clash of nations and ideologies here, not you. It makes zero difference to America or it's economy or the general wellbeing if you persoanally are killed or not.

This is also a good illustration of one of my points. You (Americans) have been made to fear for yourselves because of the 'threat of terrorism'. This is a hugely irrational fear. A Muslim has so much more to fear from the US than the average US citizen does from them.
You are more likely to be killed choaking on a Pretzl whilst being hit by lightening than being exploded by a suicide bomber.
 

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BurlyShirley said:
I guess bringing up Sept. 11 would be of no use since you thin the govt. was behind it, but in reality, that WAS a crisis situation of the utmost magnitude.
Rubbish. Not even 3 thousand people died. More died of natural causes in America that very day. Only your manufactured reaction was harmful to America.
 

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Changleen said:
You are so selfish. We're talking about the clash of nations and ideologies here, not you. It makes zero difference to America or it's economy or the general wellbeing if you persoanally are killed or not.

This is also a good illustration of one of my points. You (Americans) have been made to fear for yourselves because of the 'threat of terrorism'. This is a hugely irrational fear. A Muslim has so much more to fear from the US than the average US citizen does from them.
You are more likely to be killed choaking on a Pretzl whilst being hit by lightening than being exploded by a suicide bomber.
That's true at the moment, but if WTC size attacks were carried out every 6 months or so, the odds would certainly change. We saw the effect on the US economy on 9/11 too, so I think you're completely off here. as usual
 

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Changleen said:
Rubbish. Not even 3 thousand people died. More died of natural causes in America that very day. Only your manufactured reaction was harmful to America.
LMAO! Natural causes isnt murder you retard. Maybe we should be more accepting of everything that doesnt kill more people than natural causes.:rolleyes: :rofl:
 

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BurlyShirley said:
LMAO! Natural causes isnt murder you retard. Maybe we should be more accepting of everything that doesnt kill more people than natural causes.:rolleyes: :rofl:
You already are. What about auto wrecks? What about smoking and obeisity? I don't see 320 billion dollars a year being pumped into 'solving' those. That is such a non argument.

You are made to be scared, and thus America 'reacts' because you irrationally think there is a genuine threat to America and your way of life. There is and was not. Since then you have allowed your leaders to do their best to create one, whipping yourself up into a frenzy of death and destruction all the while, perpetuating and exadurating the problem because of your loss of scale to fear and prejudice.
 

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BurlyShirley said:
That's true at the moment, but if WTC size attacks were carried out every 6 months or so, the odds would certainly change. We saw the effect on the US economy on 9/11 too, so I think you're completely off here. as usual
"IF" the 9/11 attacks were carried out every 6 months or so... :rofl: Now you truly are in dreamland.

Actually even here your maths is WAY off. Even if it this did happen it would make a tiny difference to the number of Americans who die in any given 6 month period from all causes.

You are basing all your actions and responses on irrational fear. All this is serving to do is make your enemy more powerful. It is a STUPID response, and you are being encouraged to have it by those whose best interests perpetual war serves - you so called leaders.
 

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Changleen said:
You already are. What about auto wrecks? What about smoking and obeisity? I don't see 320 billion dollars a year being pumped into 'solving' those. That is such a non argument.

You are made to be scared, and thus America 'reacts' because you irrationally think there is a genuine threat to America and your way of life. There is and was not. Since then you have allowed your leaders to do their best to create one, whipping yourself up into a frenzy of death and destruction all the while, perpetuating and exadurating the problem because of your loss of scale to fear and prejudice.
Why spend tax dollars tracking down serial killers then? Just a very small number of people who get killed right? **** it.

Youre retarded.
 

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Changleen said:
"IF" the 9/11 attacks were carried out every 6 months or so... :rofl: Now you truly are in dreamland.

Actually even here your maths is WAY off. Even if it this did happen it would make a tiny difference to the number of Americans who die in any given 6 month period from all causes.

You are basing all your actions and responses on irrational fear. All this is serving to do is make your enemy more powerful. It is a STUPID response, and you are being encouraged to have it by those whose best interests perpetual war serves - you so called leaders.
As I said, I have no fear of being attacked. No more than I have fear of getting struck by lightning anyway, point is, you dont let people get off for murdering thousands at a time. Its a matter of principle as well.
 

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BurlyShirley said:
Why spend tax dollars tracking down serial killers then? Just a very small number of people who get killed right? **** it.

Youre retarded.
So the few hundred thousand dollars you spend each year tracking down serial killers is 'the same' as the 320 billion you spend avenging the deaths of 3 thousand? I think we have demonstrated quite thoroughly you have lost all sense of scale and rationality here.
 

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BurlyShirley said:
As I said, I have no fear of being attacked. No more than I have fear of getting struck by lightning anyway, point is, you dont let people get off for murdering thousands at a time. Its a matter of principle as well.
I agree. You don't let these people 'get away' with it. But what you are doing is not bringing justice, it is MAKING THE SITUATION WORSE. Don't you get it? You (America) are spending vast amounts of money on making it MORE likely that the situation will repeat itself because it serves the ends of your leaders whose actions you support because you are scared.
 

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BurlyShirley said:
point is, you dont let people get off for murdering thousands at a time. Its a matter of principle as well.
I expect the residents of Iraq and Afghanistan now feel largely the same way.