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Al Queda's new front.

DVNT

Turbo Monkey
Jul 16, 2004
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Anybody watch this last night on Frontline?

Don't know if it was a repeat but it's pretty scary how little we know about what's going on in Europe.
 

DVNT

Turbo Monkey
Jul 16, 2004
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I just don't understand Americans.
The ex-head of the CIA comes out and publicly states that the Iraq war as done more to promote and strenghten Al-Quesadilla and Bin Laden than anything before because it's reinforced muslim fears that Capitolists are only interested in oil, Israel and will not let a muslim based gov't gain too much power.
 

jaydee

Monkey
Jul 5, 2001
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Victoria BC
Kevin said:
Europe? I think you mean Eurabia...
I so wanna get my ass outta here and move to BC.
All you have to worry about here in BC is being shot by some Vietnamese gangster because you parked in front of his grow-op house or run over by some immigrant teenage street racer in a riced-out CRX who thinks The Fast and the Furious is his life story. Sounds like I'm picking on the immigrants, but the locals smoke way too much ganja to figure out how to cause any trouble.
 

preppie

Monkey
Aug 30, 2002
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Europe
DVNT said:
Anybody watch this last night on Frontline?

Don't know if it was a repeat but it's pretty scary how little we know about what's going on in Europe.
The extremists are recruiting young Muslims all over the world, not just in Europe.
But most of the Muslims in Europe are against any kind of terrorism, and the amount of Muslims that support/join al-Qaida or another terror network is very small.
You can find Muslim extremists in every country.
Europeans just don't invade with a whole battalion and a vulgar display of power, they try to track them down as ‘quiet as possible’, because they don't want the extremists shattering and hiding…….again.
 

Btyler311

Chimp
Aug 8, 2004
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Yeah, all of you who keep throwing the "Whats wrong with you americans?" and "We just don't understand you Americans" crap at us need to understand that 49 percent of us are political prisoners. I didn't support this regime the first time and I still don't now, I voted in both elections and my area is resoundingly BLUE even though it falls in a red state, FL. I and all of my patriotic neighbors in South FL have raised our voices in dissent. We may not be bombing Starbucks but it doesn't mean we all support what the current government of my country is doing.

So why don't we let that schit drop cause I'm getting sick of being blamed and I doubt its just me who feels that way.

Ty
 

Btyler311

Chimp
Aug 8, 2004
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Europe has always been a hotbed for extremists and hate groups. So many differring cultures/groups don't live side by side in harmony. It just doesn't hit the news until it comes to a head.

I missed the show how bout a brief recap?

Ty
 

El Santo

Chimp
Apr 14, 2002
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the 'burbs of SF
DVNT said:
Anybody watch this last night on Frontline?
Yeah, I wrestled my wife for the remote and watched it. I think Frontline is about the only investigative journalism show worth watching. It seems to me that they do a really good job of pointing out the obvious connections that I tend to miss.

In this particular case, it's the various imported insurgents using Iraq as one big on-the-job training camp for guerilla warfare against the US military. That's just super.

On a related note, does anyone else find it alarming and absurd that one guy has repeatedly outsmarted the might of the US military? We have been doing exactly what Bin Laden wanted us to do in Iraq. Incredible.
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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El Santo said:
On a related note, does anyone else find it alarming and absurd that one guy has repeatedly outsmarted the might of the US military?
at first blush, i do; but then again, i'm not in country, so i can't appreciate how easy it is to hide when we don't have a deeply entrenched human intelligence element (note to self: don't go to war w/o this next time)
el santo said:
We have been doing exactly what Bin Laden wanted us to do in Iraq. Incredible.
you mean the elections?
 

El Santo

Chimp
Apr 14, 2002
78
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the 'burbs of SF
$tinkle said:
at first blush, i do; but then again, i'm not in country, so i can't appreciate how easy it is to hide when we don't have a deeply entrenched human intelligence element (note to self: don't go to war w/o this next time)you mean the elections?
No, I don't mean the elections.

I mean Bin Laden is a better chess player than the Bush administration. If we were seriously committed to attenuating terrorism, why on earth would we do our best to kick the hornet's nest?

In other words, we have managed, in on a galactic scale, to *completely* lose control of the situation in Iraq, and have allowed a scattered, disorganized insurgency to (1) put down roots and get organized, and (2) provided a training field for insurgents to learn how to fight the American military. This is insane... After we did a remarkably good job at removing the main training grounds for Al Quaida in Afghanistan (a military move which I supported), what do we do? We provide an environment in Iraq that actually trains insurgents to fight the US military more effectively than their previous training grounds, *and* we give the muslim world yet another reason to hate us... and for what!? Saddam's WMD? Gimmie a break! The reasons for us to be in Iraq sure as hell aren't 'freeing a repressed people from tyranny, establishing self rule and a free market economy' as N8 says (please tell me you don't actually believe this). If this were the case we'd be in 24 other countries around the world.

This is about re-organizing the middle east to prevent the fall of Rome of the western hemisphere for a few more years, and siphoning as much cash-heesh for the Bushistas as possible along the way. You know it and I know it.

N8, if you seriously want to debate this with me, volley.
 

El Jefe

Dr. Phil Jefe
Nov 26, 2001
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OC in SoCal
El Santo said:
No, I don't mean the elections.

I mean Bin Laden is a better chess player than the Bush administration. If we were seriously committed to attenuating terrorism, why on earth would we do our best to kick the hornet's nest?

In other words, we have managed, in on a galactic scale, to *completely* lose control of the situation in Iraq, and have allowed a scattered, disorganized insurgency to (1) put down roots and get organized, and (2) provided a training field for insurgents to learn how to fight the American military. This is insane... After we did a remarkably good job at removing the main training grounds for Al Quaida in Afghanistan (a military move which I supported), what do we do? We provide an environment in Iraq that actually trains insurgents to fight the US military more effectively than their previous training grounds, *and* we give the muslim world yet another reason to hate us... and for what!? Saddam's WMD? Gimmie a break! The reasons for us to be in Iraq sure as hell aren't 'freeing a repressed people from tyranny, establishing self rule and a free market economy' as N8 says (please tell me you don't actually believe this). If this were the case we'd be in 24 other countries around the world.

This is about re-organizing the middle east to prevent the fall of Rome of the western hemisphere for a few more years, and siphoning as much cash-heesh for the Bushistas as possible along the way. You know it and I know it.

N8, if you seriously want to debate this with me, volley.
werd.

PS-How are things in gnarcal brah?
 

Macrider

Monkey
Oct 13, 2003
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Los Angeles
El Santo said:
All the gnarkside trails are friggin' soaked. I want Norcal trails with Socal weather.

:-)
Is that like having "an L.A. face wit an Oakland booty?" :blah:

I can't believe there is anyone still standing (other than journalists on the Bush payroll to promote this stuff) that actually BELIEVES this war is just, needed, a good idea etc.

come on, really - you folks have got to be kidding, right?
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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look at the 13 senators who dissented from sec. rice's nomination & all their blustering & blaming.

ok, now that you've done that, look back to late 2001/2002 & read what they had to say about the war on terror & it's foundations (to include telling the UN to get their crap together); you'd think they were neocons.

ain't politix grand.......standing