a bib is only as good as its chamois. i recently acknowledged that there are even better ones than rapha‘s. those assos ones with the golden gate technology are the real deal.I know that many of you wouldn't be caught dead on a road bike, but I am absolutely blown away by the quality of my Ali cycling jerseys, and to a lesser degree my bibs. I bought the bibs because they were cheap AF and I intended to use them on the trainer or under MTB shorts, but they are nice enough on their own. The bibs don't have the greatest chamois, even the high end "italian" ones, but the jerseys hold their own against anything under $100 out there.