[Li'l Dave]

I think I'm pretty well done with Hope brakes... I know, Hopes are awesome! Mine are finally starting to fade out, and I just don't have the money to keep them running. Once I heard how much brakes pads are, it just kind of sealed the deal, I mean who has the money to spend over $60 cost to replace my pads? Plus, no one has parts and or pads, and they are a pain in the butt to bleed. I really liked them when they worked, but now I think I might just have to go with something else. So far my next favorites are Shimano, I have them on my slalom bike already as well.

 

[KleinMp99]

So far my next favorites are Shimano, I have them on my slalom bike already as well.

Good choice....shimano discs are the best!

 

[fuzzynutz]

juicy 7evens????

 

[Bonk]

I think I'm pretty well done with Hope brakes... I know, Hopes are awesome! Mine are finally starting to fade out, and I just don't have the money to keep them running. Once I heard how much brakes pads are, it just kind of sealed the deal, I mean who has the money to spend over $60 cost to replace my pads? Plus, no one has parts and or pads, and they are a pain in the butt to bleed. I really liked them when they worked, but now I think I might just have to go with something else. So far my next favorites are Shimano, I have them on my slalom bike already as well.

???

I've never seem pads for more that $18 for a set. I can get parts right away just by calling Hope...and they have an 800 @ that! ....pain to bleed? ....I don't think they could be any more simple. ...even more simple if you buy they $30 automatic bleeder. Plug it all up, open the valve, wait, close valve.

Is this a joke?

 

[Ridemonkey]

Yeah really where the heck you buyin pads for 60 bucks? They better come with a couple cases of beer and a bag of Doritos for that price.

 

[Bonk]

Yeah really where the heck you buyin pads for 60 bucks? They better come with a couple cases of beer and a bag of Doritos for that price.

Any word on the ham sandwich?

 

[BigMike]

OK, I'll jump on the Bandwagon.

WHAT the hell are you talking about? I've never seen pads for more than 18 bucks. They better come with beer and chips for what you are talking about!

(I've never ridden hopes, nor looked up prices for them )

 

[DHracer1067]

http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product.aspx?i=BR608D01
there. not the cheapest but much better then the 60 bucks you think you are gonna spend. you wanna gimme your hope brakes. id love to have some.

 

[Orvan]

I think I'm pretty well done with Hope brakes...

Dave, if you're talking about your M4s on your Orange, I'd be interested in getting those from you.. Cuz they suck and shld be sold real cheap..

Go Hayes......I mean Shimano...!!

 

[Kornphlake]

do you really need to stop? Isn't the point of going downhill to go fast? I think I'm going to switch back to vee brakes, in the '90s they were the best thing going, easier to setup and more reliable than discs, lighter too. With all the cheerleaders and all the naysayers for any brand of disc brakes I'm suprised anybody would want to even give them a chance.

 

[Li'l Dave]

the pads were really expensive from QBP, that is what is kind of turning me off. What sucks is that I really like the levers, its just seems to be such a pain in the tuchus not being able to find parts all that quick. I'll try to bleed them tomorrow and see what happens, I believe that I already have to bleeder at the shop.

 

[p-spec]

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[Ridemonkey]

Any word on the ham sandwich?

So you wanted to trade my ham sandwich for two pairs of hope pads? Fine, done, but you owe me one.

 

[dexterq20]

Dave... dude. Seriously. Dude.

Consider this an online bitch slap. *smack*

Do you really want those narrow little Shimano lever blades digging into your fingers on your runs down Tunnel? C'mon now. Let's think things through before making any rash decisions.

My Hopes and I will be seeing you in September.

 

[Shmoe]

Im big, I ran Shimano XT's and loved them. No problems ever, easy set-up, dead easy to bleed (yes, easier then hopes), cheap parts (other then rotors..), and parts are pretty avalible.

I really thought of getting some new hope 6ti's this year, but for the cost of 1 hope I scored a rear juicy and front xt. Talk about some nice braking.

but, $60 for pads? you talking for 4? that would pro bally be maximum msrp..

 

[Bonk]

So you wanted to trade my ham sandwich for two pairs of hope pads? Fine, done, but you owe me one.

Man, I'd kill for a hammy sammy right now. I gonna be so hung over in the morning. ...but it was all worth it. Mmmm....

Bonk = Pimp

 

[Vermont]

$60 prolly not far off....$24 a set...$48 a bike plus shipping and "handling". I worked for UPS a while back and they charge by weight...not by the size of the box or how much what's in it is worth...these companies that charge $20-25 for shipping a wheel or charge by how much you spend are tottally ripping us off.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Its funny how some of the nonmechanically inclined people get intimidated by Hopes, they are so easy to work on and bleed its crazy. Yes, replacement parts can be expensive, but they are worth it. Pads for $60, I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[Bonk]

$60 prolly not far off....$24 a set...$48 a bike plus shipping and "handling". I worked for UPS a while back and they charge by weight...not by the size of the box or how much what's in it is worth...these companies that charge $20-25 for shipping a wheel or charge by how much you spend are tottally ripping us off.

Who the hell is charging $24 for a set?! That's robbery! ...and what is wrong with $0.60 of shipping. They're brake pads....put them in an envelope. Am I missing something?!?

 

[Li'l Dave]

Brian, why are you assuming that I'm not mechanically inclined just because Hopes intimidate me? From everything that I've heard from random people, Hopes were a nightmare, and I'm still having problems. I bled my brakes a few days ago with their bleed kit, and yes they were very easy. I found out that the price that I was quoted from the guys at QBP was the wrong one, they got the wrong part number and told me the wrong price. I got new pads and rebled them, but the rear one still feels like crap. It felt fine for a little while and I just went jumping today and the rear one just feels like crap. I just cant get the 2 brakes to feel the same, and the rear one all of a sudden got all spungy and pulled into the bar. This is another thing that I kept hearing about Hopes, they work and all of a sudden the lever can just pull into the bar. I'm going to try to re-bleed it one more time, but at this point I might just have to go back to Hayes.

 

[Zark]

That sucks Dave, I hope it works out soon.

I thin I've just come with a brake theory ala. Keith Bontrager. They can be 1. Strong 2. good modulation 3. reliable. Pick any two


When are we doing some runs? This weekend? I still got your glasses man!

 

[OGRipper]

I've had hope mini's before, they are almost exactly the same as older shimano xt's to bleed, change pads, etc.

Suddenly-get-spongy-and-pull-to-the-bar syndrome almost always means you've got air, water, or something else in the line. If they were properly bled recently, you may have a loose fitting or something. If that doesn't check out and you haven't replaced the fluid lately, give that a shot. The fluid should be replaced every year or so to purge moisture and other contamination.

Also, if your rotors are bent, with each pass the pads are getting pushed out, which means variable lever throw once you start really moving.

 

[Li'l Dave]

This weekend for sure Noah, I'm gonna try again today and see what happens. We'll see, hopefully everything is just skippy.

 

[Li'l Dave]

So I bled my brakes again with no luck whatsoever. I used the Hope bleed kit, and did everything by the book. What I still can't seem to figure out is why the 2 levers can't just contact at the same point. I talked to one of the guys at hope today and he told me to lube the pistons with silicon grease and that would for sure fix it. I got all excited when he told me that, but alas, nothing changed at all. My front one is perfect, and if I could get my rear one to feel even close, I'd for sure stick with Hopes. So far to get them to contact at the same point, I had to dial out the rear lever to where now my right finger is way the hell stretched out. Any brilliant suggestions...anyone?

 

[Robin]

Did you have the caliper higher than the lever when you bled them ?

If you haven't already, try taking the caliper off the frame and raising it above the lever. Take the pads out and put something between the pistons to hold them all the way back. Pressurise the the line, either with the bleeder or by pulling the lever in to the bar and zip tying it there. Don't open the bleed nipple yet. Gently tap all the way along the line with a finger nail or a small spanner to move any bubbles up. Whilst tapping the caliper gently, move it around so that any bubbles in the back of the pistons on the side of the caliper the hose goes too can rise up out of them. Keep tapping but now turn the caliper so that the hose enters at the lowest point, then turn the hose side down and move it so the bleed nipple is at the highest point. You just gave it your best shot to move any trapped air bubbles up to the bleed nipple. Now open the bleed nipple and bleed the brakes. You may well find you get quite a lot of air out that previously wasn't showing. Do that about 3 times and you have probably got them as good as they will ever be.

 

[Acadian]

I don't like the power bleeder....

bleed them the told fashinon way with the brakes off the bike.

use teflon tape on the nipple

 

[Brian HCM#1]

So I bled my brakes again with no luck whatsoever. I used the Hope bleed kit, and did everything by the book. What I still can't seem to figure out is why the 2 levers can't just contact at the same point. I talked to one of the guys at hope today and he told me to lube the pistons with silicon grease and that would for sure fix it. I got all excited when he told me that, but alas, nothing changed at all. My front one is perfect, and if I could get my rear one to feel even close, I'd for sure stick with Hopes. So far to get them to contact at the same point, I had to dial out the rear lever to where now my right finger is way the hell stretched out. Any brilliant suggestions...anyone?

Dode, send the rear brake to me, I'll fix it and send it back.

 

[Li'l Dave]

I want to be able to do it, I just want my levers even. They both feel really solid, the right is just too far out.

 

[Acadian]

I want to be able to do it, I just want my levers even. They both feel really solid, the right is just too far out.

when you say too far out, do you mean when it starts engaging? you can set how far your levers are with that little bolt inside the lever assembly.

when you bleed your brakes, did you make sure the pistons were all the way IN before finishing the bleed? also did you squeeze the lever a little while bleeding to make sure everything was right?

 

[OGRipper]

Yeah, if they both feel solid you may just need to set the lever throw like Acadian said. The rear has a longer line and will feel a little more squishy even when everything is as good as it will get. You may end up with two different throw adjustments to get a similar distance to the bar under power.

And if you haven't already done it I still suggest purging the old fluid and replacing it, as opposed to just bleeding.

 

[Acadian]

And if you haven't already done it I still suggest purging the old fluid and replacing it, as opposed to just bleeding.

yup...that is one of the only times I use the power bleeder...but just with air!!

 

[Brian HCM#1]

do it free service!

Yep, all he has to do is cover shipping and fluid, and I'll fix them.

 

[Li'l Dave]

The problem is that to make them so that both brakes contact at the some time, the right lever had to be adjusted way further out than the left. The other problem with sending them to you Brian is that they are routed internally through the frame (Orange 222) And I did make sure the the pistons were all the way pushed back into the caliper when I was done, and I did pump the brake while bleeding as well. I think tomorrow I might just have to go buy more fluid, take the caliper apart and re-lube everything. I should probably buy a new rear line as well, plus put more teflon tape on the bleeder.