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kidwoo

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Gauntlets seem to act like snow-funnels to me. Even when you take care to set them down somewhere not in the snow, the snow still seems to get in there somehow.
put them on your poles or shake them out :rofl:

I just like heavy-duty leather stuff. For touring I have some leather gloves that have pretty good leather, but minimal insulation. Backup mittens in the pack, but I want to change these out to down mittens for packing size and see if that works well.
"you don't need gaunlet gloves"
 

Jm_

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So going to try the Kingpins. What just blows my mind though is that the Kingpin rear half is designed totally different than the Duke of course, like if these were combined you'd actually have something, rear of the KP and front of the Duke or something.
 

Jm_

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put them on your poles or shake them out :rofl:
They are like a freaking singularity for snow with a gravitational field that can't be overcome. Sometimes you can beat the snow out...sometimes you forget and get a cold hand reminder.
 

Westy

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Nov 22, 2002
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I just remember a few years ago, snowboard apparel companies started making gloves with thinner longer cuffs, saying these were now 'under sleeve' gloves. That term had never existed/been used before. It was pretty obvious that snowboard companies (who if you remember pretty much created wide spread gauntlet use because of hand dragging while riding) just needed something new to sell since they'd been selling the same designs for 30 years. They created nothing, every kid with a pair of gloves had done this for years because duh, obvious.

If your goal is keeping snow out, nothing touches a long gauntlet. If you're not in the kind of snow where it matters, meh.

Army surplus mittens are pretty fucking awesome, however dogs love to chew them with the leather and what I guess to be rat fur.

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kidwoo

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Army surplus mittens are pretty fucking awesome, however dogs love to chew them with the leather and what I guess to be rat fur.

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Is that a snot scratcher on the back?


My nose is pre-emptively itching now just looking at that, because that looks like some good scratchin. I wouldn't wear them in snow because ice dingleberries but for just around the house on a coke bender those look rad
 

Westy

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Is that a snot scratcher on the back?


My nose is pre-emptively itching now just looking at that, because that looks like some good scratchin. I wouldn't wear them in snow because ice dingleberries but for just around the house those look rad
Those were my go to gloves when I was broke as hell and skied Whiteface when temps hit -20. When it is -20 ice dingleberries aren't an issue because anything approaching a liquid is just a fond memory.
 

HAB

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So going to try the Kingpins. What just blows my mind though is that the Kingpin rear half is designed totally different than the Duke of course, like if these were combined you'd actually have something, rear of the KP and front of the Duke or something.
That's because the Kingpin heel has to release laterally, whereas the Duke PT does the lateral release at the toe like a real alpine binding. Put a Duke toe with a Kingpin heel and you'd never stay in the damn thing.
 

Jm_

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That's because the Kingpin heel has to release laterally, whereas the Duke PT does the lateral release at the toe like a real alpine binding. Put a Duke toe with a Kingpin heel and you'd never stay in the damn thing.
Yeah, but at least like the brake lock mechanism on the KP, its so different and that little hook on the Duke barely catches in the best of situations, I took the brakes off and put them in a clamp to test and whether on the skis or off, the little hook either doesnt catch, or just barely does, which doesnt work on the snow IME.
 

HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
Apr 28, 2007
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Yeah, but at least like the brake lock mechanism on the KP, its so different and that little hook on the Duke barely catches in the best of situations, I took the brakes off and put them in a clamp to test and whether on the skis or off, the little hook either doesnt catch, or just barely does, which doesnt work on the snow IME.
I haven't skied a Duke PT so I can't really comment on that one but nobody else seems to have figured out a brake for that class of binding (Cast, Shift) that isn't at least a little bit annoying. So I'm not exactly surprised.

Compromise hybrid bindings are a compromise, turns out.
 

Jm_

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Kingpins were much better. No issues. I think the high riser may not be quite 14 degrees, but it's good enough and foolproof, not like the flippy lever on the Duke. Changed skis after touring for 4 hours and used one of my free passes for a few laps.
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Jm_

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The biggest issue with alpine touring skis is that I ask myself these days, why the fuck would anyone ever ski anything but untracked pow? Be aware, this will totally fuck your mind.
 

Toshi

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The biggest issue with alpine touring skis is that I ask myself these days, why the fuck would anyone ever ski anything but untracked pow? Be aware, this will totally fuck your mind.
because not having to hike up is quite nice
 

HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
Apr 28, 2007
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The biggest issue with alpine touring skis is that I ask myself these days, why the fuck would anyone ever ski anything but untracked pow? Be aware, this will totally fuck your mind.
Corn is also really fun.
 

Jm_

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A little too early today for the real corn, but there was still some nice skiing to be had. Had to jump turn on the first slopes, but once I realized that, it was pretty fun. Heading down into the valley was pretty good, hard, but not punishing/sliding.

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Ground facets. When it gets warm the whole slope will go.
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Jm_

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that sinking feeling when you fucked up...

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There are a few people around here that haphazardly ski over glaciers. They are easy to avoid, 99% of the places that we BC ski are not glaciated...but if you go back further or high enough you eventually run into them. Coastal ranges usually have a heavy glacier field/ice field near the coast.

Someone died a few days ago under confusing circumstances. The PoPo said they died in a tree-well on a trail that doesn't really have any trees, not to mention the entire region where they died doesn't have many trees and the place where the rescue was performed was miles from the reported location. From first-hand accounts someone went over a convexity, disappeared, was found a few min later and appeared to have fallen into some kind of hole, but not a tree-well. Possibly hit their head on a rock down there or just fell way down. There are a few crazy holes out there that might be showing up with hollowed-out veg or some rock-hole. We generally don't have the tree-well problem nearly as bad as other places, but this place in particular doesn't really have trees and we are also dealing with the melting of a very deep snowpack. In some places real deep, in some places shallow. I uncovered rocks at 65cm in the pit I dug yesterday.
 

Full Trucker

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Feb 26, 2003
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Because of this thread, I no longer take my skins out of my pack after a ski or worry bout hanging them up in the garage… I just leave them in the pack with the glue stuck to itself and you know what? So far they dry just fine.
 

Full Trucker

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Jealous. We had an ambitious tour planned and turned around because of weather. Honestly, we could have continued and it would have been safe and not even all that miserable. But, the sun wasn’t gonna come out so there wasn’t gonna be corn so the skiing was gonna suck. But sometimes you don’t know if you don’t go, and the forecast has called for very different conditions.

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Jm_

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Same general place, unfortunately after the first descent the winds kicked up fierce, like 50mph towards the top. Coming down was still fun, but I didn't want to go back up again.
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