Alpine touring skis
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And mostly unhurt. This was on South Maroon Peak and that's some *hairy* terrain to blow it like that. He's very fortunate he didn't end up hurtling off one of the many cliff bands.
all you would have heard from me is....
motherrrrrfuckerrrrrrrrrrr.....all the wsy down....
He got so lucky unironically, can see on vid that he avoided like 3 rocks by a foot or so. At that speed alsohold my beer
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I am now signed up for an AIARE level 1 course on March 1-3, 2024. will be at Winter Park, nice and convenient for me.
this isn't an Apex course (Vail isn't convenient for me), but from Apex's suggested gear list what do I need/what's not essential? list elided. particularly curious about loupe, saw, snow crystal card.
WHAT TO BRING
this isn't an Apex course (Vail isn't convenient for me), but from Apex's suggested gear list what do I need/what's not essential? list elided. particularly curious about loupe, saw, snow crystal card.
WHAT TO BRING
- Beacon/probe/shovel
- Clinometer
- Complete ski, split board or snowshoe equipment, including boots, poles, etc
- Ground mat (insulation so you can sit on snow)
- Notebook (for lecture day)
- Any other items you would typically have in your pack on a backcountry trip
- Water bottle and food
- Headlamp and batteries
- Loupe (at least 10x zoom)
- Snow Saw (minimum 30cm)
- Snow crystal card
- Adjustable Poles
- Water bottle insulator
you'll be dead in an avalanche or a snowboarder by then
not dead in a snowboarder but you know what I mean
maybe tesla will release an e-ski by the time that rolls around
until then I will stay inbounds, maybe amuse myself by skiing up WP now and then on low-fresh-snow days for the sweat
going back to this thread (mainly to find the Mammut Barryvox recommendation) and seeing some old posts. update time:
TGR's Dispatch thread is filled with some not so positive feedback on page 5 wrt skiing characteristics and durability alike
Bluebird folded at the end of last season.
TGR's Dispatch thread is filled with some not so positive feedback on page 5 wrt skiing characteristics and durability alike
K2 Dispatch series - Page 5
Anyone been on these yet? Blister just posted their first look of the Dispatch 120, and it looks pretty intriguing… ~1825g for the 186 length, 29m sidecut, beautiful rocker profile - kinda reminds me of the 4FRNT Renegade but with a little bit of camber underfoot. Specs alone have me interested...
www.tetongravity.com
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Snow saw, ideally one that connects to your pole, it makes life so much easier, yes you need an avalanche cord to tie knots in to make a saw, but thats bullshit when trying to cut thru freeze layers.
The saws that come IN shovels are bullshit.
loupe is not necessary if your near vision still works, but if not, you are kinda screwed. It’s rarely useful to me, its more for learning in a course. Snow crystal card is nice to have a black background, but a black snow shovel does the same.
a quality wide shovel makes a difference. The BCAs are my favorite and the pieps is a piece of crap IME, the pieps handle is at 90 degrees so it doesnt fit in a pack well. The bca is wide and strong.
ground mat? Wtf?
also, what is a water bottle insulator? Just bring insulated camelback type bottles.
get theodolite for your phone, that takes the place of inclinometer and you can take pics w/time/coords, slope angle, etc., for later review.I am now signed up for an AIARE level 1 course on March 1-3, 2024. will be at Winter Park, nice and convenient for me.
this isn't an Apex course (Vail isn't convenient for me), but from Apex's suggested gear list what do I need/what's not essential? list elided. particularly curious about loupe, saw, snow crystal card.
WHAT TO BRING
ALSO RECOMMENDED
- Beacon/probe/shovel
- Clinometer
- Complete ski, split board or snowshoe equipment, including boots, poles, etc
- Ground mat (insulation so you can sit on snow)
- Notebook (for lecture day)
- Any other items you would typically have in your pack on a backcountry trip
- Water bottle and food
- Headlamp and batteries
YOU MAY ALSO CONSIDER
- Loupe (at least 10x zoom)
- Snow Saw (minimum 30cm)
- Snow crystal card
- Adjustable Poles
- Water bottle insulator
Snow saw, ideally one that connects to your pole, it makes life so much easier, yes you need an avalanche cord to tie knots in to make a saw, but thats bullshit when trying to cut thru freeze layers.
The saws that come IN shovels are bullshit.
loupe is not necessary if your near vision still works, but if not, you are kinda screwed. It’s rarely useful to me, its more for learning in a course. Snow crystal card is nice to have a black background, but a black snow shovel does the same.
a quality wide shovel makes a difference. The BCAs are my favorite and the pieps is a piece of crap IME, the pieps handle is at 90 degrees so it doesnt fit in a pack well. The bca is wide and strong.
ground mat? Wtf?
also, what is a water bottle insulator? Just bring insulated camelback type bottles.
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Also, you want this book: https://www.snowpit.com/product-page/snow-and-avalanche-field-notebook-2
My take:
- Definitely no to the loupe and snow crystal card. That stuff is advanced-ish snow science oriented, and you probably won't be / IMO should not be learning snow science in a level 1 course. You're focusing on decision making, terrain selection, observation.
- Probably no to the saw. You will likely dig a pit or pits in your level 1 course, and learn about layers and kind of get an intro to snow science so you have a basic understanding of how and why avalanches get triggered. But I personally would skip it for the course, on account of someone should have a saw and then you can sort out if you're gonna be digging a lot of pits after you take your course. Spoiler alert: I haven't dug a pit since my avy 1. I focus on terrain selection and decision making. I'm not saying a pit can't be helpful, it's just one of several tools. Also, you can likely isolate a block of snow to stress test with your shovel.
- Yes to everything on the first list (What to Bring) except maybe the ground mat. But it brings up a point about insulation: bring layers. You're gonna stand around a lot in your level 1. Bring a bunch of different layering options to stay comfortable.
- Definitely include the clinometer from that first list. And the clinometer can just be your phone, it has a level app on it that you can use. Hold it against the side of your ski pole, and use the pole to "sight" along the slope you want the angle of. This should be better than trying to match the angle with the shortness of phone. Clinometers are also short, so you'd want to do this with one of those anyways. Like this:
Isolated snow shovel columns arent really used much anymore, since the 90cm extended compression test gives you stability AND propagation. Both compression test and extended compression test are far better than tilt tests or jumping on snow. They should be teaching if you do one test these days, do the EC.
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also just ordered this. because this appears to be missing a $1,xxx in front of that price
worth chancing it. TGR indicates that occasionally this site does indeed have super low prices randomly
edit: canceled it, after seeing that they also list the Kit form of the backpack that clearly has the capacitor setup and all. so this one is likely just the backpack, oddly. hmph
worth chancing it. TGR indicates that occasionally this site does indeed have super low prices randomly
edit: canceled it, after seeing that they also list the Kit form of the backpack that clearly has the capacitor setup and all. so this one is likely just the backpack, oddly. hmph
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@Toshi some gear up for auction, if you're still outfitting yo' sef
https://www.rollerauction.com/auctions/24337-bluebird-backcountry?filter=(end_time_from:now;category:3233)
https://www.rollerauction.com/auctions/24337-bluebird-backcountry?filter=(end_time_from:now;category:3233)
there's tons of gear! I'm bidding on a bunch of stuff now, thanks for the heads up.
I may have to take the Land Cruiser rather than the cargo bike for pickup if my high bids persist on half of this stuff.
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spend spend spend!
good skier
good boy!
good skier
good boy!
I've got 3 kids so if I can snag AT boots for them for $15 I totally will on the off chance that they'll fit, etc.
I don't even need poles. bidding on those specially for you.
Who cares, those are cheapI don't even need poles. bidding on those specially for you.
If you were doing it for me youd overbid on some shitty overpriced dp chattersticks youll never use
I went to the CAIC fundraiser party last night and won a pair of K2 Wayback 106s, which I absolutely don't need.
I'll probably flip them and use the $ to fund a trip.
I'll probably flip them and use the $ to fund a trip.
Bob Leisure has the kit (so with the airbag as well) for $831.85.
Pack Patrol E2 30 Kit
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season's just getting started!
You do not need an airbag at this point.Bob Leisure has the kit (so with the airbag as well) for $831.85.
Pack Patrol E2 30 Kit
Scott Pack Patrol E2 30 - Unleash Adventure with the Power of patrol e2 30 Discover the Scott Pack Patrol E2 30, a groundbreaking backpack designed for enthusiasts seeking durability and functionality. The pack patrol e2 30...
who else is going to support the economy
Is that what you call that?
Those things are kind of annoying just fyi. Take up a lot of space and end up being a decent bit more weight that seems to always end up carrying weird.
It makes sense where JM lives with no trees and huge runout zones.....not so much for dicking around in the trees near granby
You're just so darned helpful.
wanna buy mine?You're just so darned helpful.
interchangeable ABS system with two backpacks
cheap
I just decided that not being in avalanches was better than carrying those things around
at your age I would certainly hope some wisdom came alongI realized this *before* buying a avy pack.
I mostly got it for one treeless area we sled ski. Then I just got better at figuring out the avy patterns of the joint.
Things I have figured out, many of which you all tried to tell me earlier:
- adjustable poles don’t really help that much as compared to palming the tops of my trusty normal length bamboo poles. And I feel less stupid with the bamboo ones
- at the recreational level having the snow testing kit is largely pointless. I think I will return it to REI.
- I got a ground pad but didn’t take it yesterday for weight and bulk. Would have been nice while kneeling/sitting in alternating fashion in the snow yesterday during the snow pit demo but I don’t foresee much of that in my future so will return that as well unused
- my heavy Mindbender 116C + Cast/Pivot 15 setup is indeed heavy. But it skies well. One guy on tech bindings straight up ejected from one ski on Hughes on our final in-bounds run back to the base. In keeping with that theme, many if not most of the people in this particular AIARE 1 course aren’t great alpine skiers imo. One lady is a good skier from what I’ve seen: she’s on Mindbenders (probably 106C like those for my kid!) and frame bindings fwiw.
- I am slow uphill. Which I anticipated. There likely will be one guy slower yet than me so I’ll go hang out with him on the hike(s) uphill today.
- my Camelbak 14er is large enough for what I want to carry for day trips, which is all I see myself doing realistically.
- adjustable poles don’t really help that much as compared to palming the tops of my trusty normal length bamboo poles. And I feel less stupid with the bamboo ones
- at the recreational level having the snow testing kit is largely pointless. I think I will return it to REI.
- I got a ground pad but didn’t take it yesterday for weight and bulk. Would have been nice while kneeling/sitting in alternating fashion in the snow yesterday during the snow pit demo but I don’t foresee much of that in my future so will return that as well unused
- my heavy Mindbender 116C + Cast/Pivot 15 setup is indeed heavy. But it skies well. One guy on tech bindings straight up ejected from one ski on Hughes on our final in-bounds run back to the base. In keeping with that theme, many if not most of the people in this particular AIARE 1 course aren’t great alpine skiers imo. One lady is a good skier from what I’ve seen: she’s on Mindbenders (probably 106C like those for my kid!) and frame bindings fwiw.
- I am slow uphill. Which I anticipated. There likely will be one guy slower yet than me so I’ll go hang out with him on the hike(s) uphill today.
- my Camelbak 14er is large enough for what I want to carry for day trips, which is all I see myself doing realistically.