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Americans Are Fleeing Big Cities

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Oct 18, 2002
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Census: Americans Are Fleeing Big Cities
STEPHEN OHLEMACHER, Associated Press Writer
Thu Apr 20, 12:15 AM ET


WASHINGTON - Americans are leaving the nation's big cities in search of cheaper homes and open spaces farther out.

Nearly every large metropolitan area had more people move out than move in from 2000 to 2004, with a few exceptions in the South and Southwest, according to a report being released Thursday by the Census Bureau.

Northeasterners are moving South and West. West Coast residents are moving inland. Midwesterners are chasing better job markets. And just about everywhere, people are escaping to the outer suburbs, also known as exurbs.

"It's a case of middle class flight, a flight for housing affordability," said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank. "But it's not just white middle class flight, it's Hispanics and blacks, too."

The Census Bureau measured domestic migration — people moving within the United States — from 1990 to 2000, and from 2000 to 2004. The report provides the number of people moving into and out of each state and the 25 largest metropolitan areas.

The states that attracted the most new residents: Florida, Arizona and Nevada. The states that lost the most: New York, California and Illinois.

Among the 25 largest metropolitan areas, 18 had more people move out than move in from 2000 to 2004. New York, Los Angeles and Chicago — the three biggest metropolitan areas — lost the most residents to domestic moves. The New York metropolitan area had a net loss of more than 210,000 residents a year from 2000 to 2004.

Richard Florida, a professor of public policy at George Mason University, said smaller, wealthier households are replacing larger families in many big metropolitan areas.

That drives up housing prices even as the population shrinks, chasing away even more members of the middle class.

"Because they are bidding up prices, they are forcing some people out to the exurbs and the fringe," Florida said. "Other people are forced to make moves in response to that. I don't have any sense of this abating."

The metropolitan area that attracted the most new residents was Riverside, Calif., which has been siphoning residents from Los Angeles for years. The Riverside area, which includes San Bernardino and Ontario, had a net gain of 81,000 people a year from 2000 to 2004.

Riverside has grown to become the 13th largest metropolitan area in the nation. It's a short drive to several mountain ranges, and it's within driving distance of the beach. Locally, it is known as the Inland Empire.

"When you look at housing prices in Southern California, along the beaches and coastlines, you're able to obtain a very large home for a much lower price" in Riverside, said Cindy Roth, president and CEO of the Greater Riverside Chambers of Commerce.

Homes in Riverside aren't cheap. The median price — the point at which half cost more and half cost less — was $374,200 in 2005. But they are less expensive than Los Angeles, where the median price was $529,000.

Other areas that attracted a lot of new residents also have relatively inexpensive homes, even if they are not the cheapest in the country. Phoenix, Tampa-St. Petersburg, Fla., Atlanta and Dallas-Fort Worth round out the top five metropolitan areas.
 

BurlyShirley

Rex Grossman Will Rise Again
Jul 4, 2002
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There are over 1 million in metro nashville area now. I cant wait to get the **** out.
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
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small samples + extrapolation? it's not like they fire everyone in the "off years". i have an aunt and uncle who are mathematicians for the census bureau...
 

Transcend

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Apr 18, 2002
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Toshi said:
small samples + extrapolation? it's not like they fire everyone in the "off years". i have an aunt and uncle who are mathematicians for the census bureau...
I'm just saying small samples probably aren't going to garner a very clear view of something like this. Especially if you consider that the type or people wanting to leave the cities for certain reasons also share other similiar traits. It could skew the results pretty good.
 

Toshi

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Transcend said:
I'm just saying small samples probably aren't going to garner a very clear view of something like this. Especially if you consider that the type or people wanting to leave the cities for certain reasons also share other similiar traits. It could skew the results pretty good.
please re-take your statistics coursework :oink:
 

stinkyboy

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N8 said:
The states that attracted the most new residents: Florida, Arizona and Nevada. The states that lost the most: New York, California and Illinois.
I can't wait until we run out of water, so people will start leaving Phoenix!
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
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Serial Midget said:
There is nothing new about urban flight... I do not understand why this is topical.
You wanker...this is urban flight, not Unabomber flight like what you've done. Keep in contact ya dickhead.
 

narlus

Eastcoast Softcore
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Nov 7, 2001
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ridetoofast said:
for at least an interim period im going to be able to ride my bike to work...i just wish i didn't have to feel in fear of my life to do so...f'ing idiots on the road.
i just found out today a guy i used to work w/ who is out in San Diego now got knocked unconsious by a hit-n-run driver. he's fine for the most part, but goddamn. :mad: :mad: :mumble:
 

Toshi

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narlus said:
gas prices will likely some sort of effect on people's stomach for long commutes...we'll see how this plays out.
yeah, this could be a good thing in the long term in terms of urban planning and people not making horrible decisions (350 mile commute from yosemite and such).

admittedly, i have been living in cities with good public transit for the last 7 years (boston, portland, now seattle), but i _chose_ to live in these places, trading off other factors for convenience among other things.
 

ridetoofast

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Mar 31, 2002
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toshi im torn by the desire to not have to have a long commute to work, however, it lies in stark contrast with my desire to get OUT of the city where i can have some small acreage, and make my own private little playground. i close on my house tuesday and have my prequal letter for my next place. i'm just going to have to get a sipper.
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
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ridetoofast said:
toshi im torn by the desire to not have to have a long commute to work, however, it lies in stark contrast with my desire to get OUT of the city where i can have some small acreage, and make my own private little playground. i close on my house tuesday and have my prequal letter for my next place. i'm just going to have to get a sipper.
it's all a tradeoff, yeah. if you can afford the annoyance and cost of commuting, more power to you. just please don't whine about govt cost caps on gas and other such issues if you _choose_ to drive a long way to work.
 

ridetoofast

scarred, broken and drunk
Mar 31, 2002
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nah i wont whine when ill pay $1.10 for 16oz of 7-11 coffee which equates to somethin close to $9/gallon.

i try to keep that mental calculation in check before i bitch about gas prices.

however, im single with no children so i'm not nearly as sensitive to commodity (sp?) pressures that families are.
 

bigdrop05

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Mar 26, 2005
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Maybe global warming will make south Florida go underwater;& then people will be forced to move up here to TN making property values go up..Then we can sell our house & move to Montana.....
 

-dustin

boring
Jun 10, 2002
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commute vs. convenience is something mandi and i are dealing with now. currently, we have chosen convenience, but we are giving up more than i would like. it sure is hard justifying a 20mi commute, though, when that commute would equal 1 - 2hrs on top of gas prices.
 

narlus

Eastcoast Softcore
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Nov 7, 2001
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ridetoofast said:
however, im single with no children so i'm not nearly as sensitive to commodity (sp?) pressures that families are.
exactly! the biggest detriment to living in a metro area for families is either the HUGE real estate cost (if you are in a very close, 'nice' suburb) or having to pay for private school because the city schools suck so much.