[BurlyShirley]

i think you are confusing those 2 things.

(thanks to the worldwide know tactic of we-gvmt=we-nation so widely used by gwb).

I think you're incorrect still. It was announced just this week that the majority of the country's newspapers have decided to support kerry. The whole document scandle with Dan Rather is what Bush was referring to about trusting the media. Other than talk radio, (and fox news) there really isnt ALOT of pro whitehouse news these days.

 

[BurlyShirley]

I also liked when Bush said 'reading is the new civil right'. You guys are so lucky!

Maybe you'll get maths as a new civil right in a few more terms.

racist.

 

[Changleen]

racist.

I love you.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

The best treatment I ever got was at Stanford Medical Center. I was insured and it cost a ****load. There is no possible way I could have afforded it personally.

i still dont get why folks think social healthcare will kill everybody with bad docs.

it will not. the good docs will be there for those who can afford them. those things are not gonna change.

social healtcare is about establishing a lower boundary for those who cannot afford not even a general doc.

for others, the better docs and treatments will always be there.

 

[BurlyShirley]

social healtcare is about establishing a lower boundary for those who cannot afford not even a general doc.

i think the bigger question here is "Why does it even matter if these poor people live"

 

[Changleen]

i still dont get why folks think social healthcare will kill everybody with bad docs.

it will not. the good docs will be there for those who can afford them. those things are not gonna change.

social healtcare is about establishing a lower boundary for those who cannot afford not even a general doc.

for others, the better docs and treatments will always be there.

I agree.

In a lot of cases, It's still a case of just providing it (remotly decent service) in the first place, sadly.

 

[Changleen]

i think the bigger question here is "Why does it even matter if these poor people live"

You're right. Big business wants you to die just as soon as your productivity starts to drop, but after you have 2 blue-collar kids and before you claim a cent of you pension. 50 is probably good for most people. Better up the arsnic in the drinking water a bit more...

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

i think the bigger question here is "Why does it even matter if these poor people live"

and the answer to that, is what separates conservatives from the homo sapiens.

 

[Transcend]

and the answer to that, is what separates conservatives from the homo sapiens.

wait, there is a difference?

 

[Silver]

i think the bigger question here is "Why does it even matter if these poor people live"

Who else will clean our houses and wash our cars?

 

[BurlyShirley]

Who else will clean our houses and wash our cars?

The ones we grow to be super-peasants after our stem cell research is completed. Oh wait, am I against that? I forget.

 

[Silver]

The ones we grow to be super-peasants after our stem cell research is completed. Oh wait, am I against that? I forget.

We can genetically engineer them to be Libertarians. That way we don't need to provide them healthcare...

 

[Westy]

Who else will clean our houses and wash our cars?

Rich people are fvcking lazy, if you can't clean it don't buy it.

 

[BurlyShirley]

We can genetically engineer them to be Libertarians. That way we don't need to provide them healthcare...

I went to the doctor once without health insurance. They didnt refuse me treatment, they just sent me a bill later, that if I dont pay, wont make them refuse me treatment in the future. Who even cares about health insurance?

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

I went to the doctor once without health insurance. They didnt refuse me treatment, they just sent me a bill later, that if I dont pay, wont make them refuse me treatment in the future. Who even cares about health insurance?

i would not mess nor stiff a guy that can legally pass an scalpel thru my skin or order a full rectal exam "just to be sure".

 

[1000-Oaks]

holy crap!!!!
you gotta watch more bbc, and less fox news.

Huh?? The BBC is more biased than CNN, at least Fox covers both sides evenly.

 

[Skookum]

Huh?? The BBC is more biased than CNN, at least Fox covers both sides evenly.

i just wanted to see this one again.......

 

[Changleen]

Huh?? The BBC is more biased than CNN, at least Fox covers both sides evenly.

Bwahahahahaha.





oh dear.

Bwahahahhahahahahahaaaa

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

Huh?? The BBC is more biased than CNN, at least Fox covers both sides evenly.

thus, my point on the brainwashing powers of the pro-white house media in the US just got verified.

 

[fluff]

All I can say is that my sister and her family in the UK... hate their healthcare system and are afraid to see Doc's.

Dude, there are plenty of people in the UK who feel totally different. There is no law preventing people buying private healthcare in the UK. For those that can afford to it's still there, for those who can't the NHS is still pretty damn good.

Some examples:
My mother had a minor stroke last year - straight into hospital, monitored for several days, x-rayed, ultra-sounded (?), scanned. Free medication. A couple of months later she fell and broke her leg (not having the best of years, my mum) - again straight in, scanned etc (she thought another stroke oddly) and hairline fracture found. She is recovering well.

Last week a good friend of mine who lives in the most populous area of the UK had a heart attack; ambulance took him into local hospital where they diagnosed the problem and gave initial treatment, next day he is blue-lighted into London's foremost heart unit, given an angioscopy (?) and slated for immediate open-heart surgery (surgeons were placed on standby).

All on the NHS.

I know this is anecdotal (as was your post) but I know this, I'd rather pay 10% more tax to keep the NHS than have that money and no NHS. Having said that I see no reason why it should cost 10% more and I would consider other funding models.

Finally we have a thing call PFI (Private Funding Initiative) which purports to allow private enterprise to build public buildings cheaper, what it actually does is allow private companies to profit from tax-payer's money.

 

[Changleen]

Dude, there are plenty of people in the UK who feel totally different. There is no law preventing people buying private healthcare in the UK. For those that can afford to it's still there, for those who can't the NHS is still pretty damn good.

Some examples:
My mother had a minor stroke last year - straight into hospital, monitored for several days, x-rayed, ultra-sounded (?), scanned. Free medication. A couple of months later she fell and broke her leg (not having the best of years, my mum) - again straight in, scanned etc (she thought another stroke oddly) and hairline fracture found. She is recovering well.

Last week a good friend of mine who lives in the most populous area of the UK had a heart attack; ambulance took him into local hospital where they diagnosed the problem and gave initial treatment, next day he is blue-lighted into London's foremost heart unit, given an angioscopy (?) and slated for immediate open-heart surgery (surgeons were placed on standby).

All on the NHS.

I know this is anecdotal (as was your post) but I know this, I'd rather pay 10% more tax to keep the NHS than have that money and no NHS. Having said that I see no reason why it should cost 10% more and I would consider other funding models.

Finally we have a thing call PFI (Private Funding Initiative) which purports to allow private enterprise to build public buildings cheaper, what it actually does is allow private companies to profit from tax-payer's money.

Word.

 

[zod]

how about you both keep the broad generalisations to yourselves?

Go find a sheep to entertain you.

So calling a Kiwi a sheep f&cker is not a broad generalization? ink:

 

[valve bouncer]

So calling a Kiwi a sheep f&cker is not a broad generalization? ink:

You've never been to NZ, have you?

 

[golgiaparatus]

Huh?? The BBC is more biased than CNN, at least Fox covers both sides evenly.

Yeah, fox news coveragew is totally even did you miss the fact that they fully covered the Repub convention yet only mentioned that the Dem Convention was happening?

 

[bomberz1qr20]

and the answer to that, is what separates conservatives from the homo sexuals.

Usually it takes a crowbar.

 

[Transcend]

You've never been to NZ, have you?

exactly. And it isn't so broad, as their aren't too many kiwis.

also, fire with fire and all that

 

[bomberz1qr20]

"Being lectured by President Bush about fiscal responsibility is like Tony Soprano talking to me about law and order."

Gotta give Kerry props for this one. I was drinking a beer when he said that - I almost blew it out my nose.