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BurlyShirley

Rex Grossman Will Rise Again
Jul 4, 2002
19,180
17
TN
American dream is no longer the house with picket fence and a dog, it's also apparently a late model 4X4 Chevy, a skiff for "recreational lobstering" and living so close to bankruptcy that you have to cut back on food when gas prices go up by <$2.

Absolutely pathetic article.
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
56,400
22,481
Sleazattle
A dude I know built a 3 million dollar house a few years ago. He is selling it at a massive loss to pay for his $16000/month living expenses. He blames Socialism and high taxes. I suggested he cut down on his monthly custom built motorcycles/assault weapons/vacation expenses and just got a confused look.
 

Silver

find me a tampon
Jul 20, 2002
10,840
1
Orange County, CA
A dude I know built a 3 million dollar house a few years ago. He is selling it at a massive loss to pay for his $16000/month living expenses. He blames Socialism and high taxes. I suggested he cut down on his monthly custom built motorcycles/assault weapons/vacation expenses and just got a confused look.
I would suggest suicide to him. See if you can make that work.
 

dante

Unabomber
Feb 13, 2004
8,807
9
looking for classic NE singletrack
A dude I know built a 3 million dollar house a few years ago. He is selling it at a massive loss to pay for his $16000/month living expenses. He blames Socialism and high taxes. I suggested he cut down on his monthly custom built motorcycles/assault weapons/vacation expenses and just got a confused look.
It's people like him who make me want to give that whole French Revolution thing another shot.
 

stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
22,023
7,928
Colorado
A dude I know built a 3 million dollar house a few years ago. He is selling it at a massive loss to pay for his $16000/month living expenses. He blames Socialism and high taxes. I suggested he cut down on his monthly custom built motorcycles/assault weapons/vacation expenses and just got a confused look.
How can you actively spend that much a month? Even in my wildest fantasies, I'd have trouble spending that much for more than a month or two. After which I would have every bike I've ever wanted, a track car, and a luxury dd. I just don't get it.
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
56,400
22,481
Sleazattle
How can you actively spend that much a month? Even in my wildest fantasies, I'd have trouble spending that much for more than a month or two. After which I would have every bike I've ever wanted, a track car, and a luxury dd. I just don't get it.
Cook, maid, gardener, nanny, clothes, political contributions/bribes. You don't stay rich by acting poor.
 

DaveW

Space Monkey
Jul 2, 2001
11,740
3,227
The bunker at parliament
Probably. Thats just what BMW claims, I've never actually bothered to calculate it out. 3 gallons last me more than a week though. :busted:
Either way it's a lot more bank account friendly than my Tuono.... $30NZD (about $22 USD) to fill from empty and the fuel light comes on after only 200km (120miles).
Still cheaper than my Mitsubishi Lancer though. :D
 

KavuRider

Turbo Monkey
Jan 30, 2006
2,565
4
CT
American dream is no longer the house with picket fence and a dog, it's also apparently a late model 4X4 Chevy, a skiff for "recreational lobstering" and living so close to bankruptcy that you have to cut back on food when gas prices go up by <$2.

Absolutely pathetic article.
:stupid:

People are going to (hopefully) soon learn what it means to truly be broke.
 

Andyman_1970

Turbo Monkey
Apr 4, 2003
3,105
5
The Natural State
It's really hard for me to feel bad for d-bags like that when you've got thousands of people in Japan right now that have lost every material item they own not to mention loved ones........
 

KavuRider

Turbo Monkey
Jan 30, 2006
2,565
4
CT
Wife's current mode of transportation. A bazillion miles per gallon, and now that the snow/ice is finally melting she's going back to riding to work ~4 days per week. Bring on the $5/gallon gasoline! :)

Nice ride!

I remember when we had a gas shortage here in Phoenix a few years ago, a pipeline broke South of us or something.

HUGE lines of people at the gas stations, reports of people getting into fights or stabbed because the stations would run out of gas or people would cut in line. Crazy stuff.
 

stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
22,023
7,928
Colorado
Wife's current mode of transportation. A bazillion miles per gallon, and now that the snow/ice is finally melting she's going back to riding to work ~4 days per week. Bring on the $5/gallon gasoline! :)

I can't wait to get to a situation where riding to work becomes an option again. Huge time and money saver across the board.

What I'm really hoping for is that Wifey can get her business off the ground. If she can pull 4 projects per month that's ~$4k/m in cash. Non-existant income is the best kind of income.:thumb:
 

Andyman_1970

Turbo Monkey
Apr 4, 2003
3,105
5
The Natural State
HUGE lines of people at the gas stations, reports of people getting into fights or stabbed because the stations would run out of gas or people would cut in line. Crazy stuff.
Kind of a tie in to the earthquake thread.......it's been interesting how the calm and orderly the Japanese people are waiting for food, water, gas.....compared to us 'mericans..........:rolleyes:
 

KavuRider

Turbo Monkey
Jan 30, 2006
2,565
4
CT
From the article:
Jeff worries that he can't be a good provider or a good spouse if he can't provide insurance, which costs about $760 a month
The hell? That much for health insurance?
 
Feb 28, 2011
8
0
NorCal
U.K. is $9.48 a gallon.

Yeah we have it rough. :rolleyes:
So because Europe has allowed there prices to go through the roof so should we...Are you kidding me?

There are many reasons for there prices being what they are. There are even more reasons why ours shouldn't be as high as they are. So to condemn people who are not happy about it is ridiculous. I drive a Ford truck that easily provided me with 20 plus miles per gallon. I know that isn't you average economy car and I'm OK with that as I use thew truck for work. I now am lucky to see 12 mile per gallon with the newer fuel we are forced to use in California. This newer fuel has not been proven to do anything for our environment yet we've allowed Sacramento to continue requiring it. It added to the cost and they increase the tax and were not supposed to be frustrated by that. We continue to buy oil from other sources at extremely high prices and sell our own oil to other countries for extremely low prices and we're not supposed to be frustrated by that. We have enough oil in our own land to supply our needs and bring the worlds price down to a competitive level yet we don't because the damage it would do to OPEC and our politicians hide behind the environmentalists. Oh yah, we're not supposed to be frustrated by that.

I don't know when it happened but at some point the cycling community has seemed to become so liberal that they have lost all reason....Say it ain't so
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
42,361
19,886
Riding past the morgue.
So because Europe has allowed there prices to go through the roof so should we...Are you kidding me?

There are many reasons for there prices being what they are. There are even more reasons why ours shouldn't be as high as they are. So to condemn people who are not happy about it is ridiculous. I drive a Ford truck that easily provided me with 20 plus miles per gallon. I know that isn't you average economy car and I'm OK with that as I use thew truck for work. I now am lucky to see 12 mile per gallon with the newer fuel we are forced to use in California. This newer fuel has not been proven to do anything for our environment yet we've allowed Sacramento to continue requiring it. It added to the cost and they increase the tax and were not supposed to be frustrated by that. We continue to buy oil from other sources at extremely high prices and sell our own oil to other countries for extremely low prices and we're not supposed to be frustrated by that. We have enough oil in our own land to supply our needs and bring the worlds price down to a competitive level yet we don't because the damage it would do to OPEC and our politicians hide behind the environmentalists. Oh yah, we're not supposed to be frustrated by that.

I don't know when it happened but at some point the cycling community has seemed to become so liberal that they have lost all reason....Say it ain't so
:popcorn:
 

syadasti

i heart mac
Apr 15, 2002
12,690
290
VT
Probably. Thats just what BMW claims, I've never actually bothered to calculate it out. 3 gallons last me more than a week though. :busted:
The only thing I've noted about motorcycles is that they emit more pollutants in every measured category other than C02 compared to passenger cars. It's the manufacturer's fault for being greedy - they'll lose a small bit of profit if they have to make emission controls comparable to passenger cars. They are stealing from the public's healthcare costs by not making cleaner motorcycles. That's starting to change but who knows if the GOP neuters the EPA...
 

Silver

find me a tampon
Jul 20, 2002
10,840
1
Orange County, CA
So because Europe has allowed there prices to go through the roof so should we...Are you kidding me?

There are many reasons for there prices being what they are. There are even more reasons why ours shouldn't be as high as they are. So to condemn people who are not happy about it is ridiculous. I drive a Ford truck that easily provided me with 20 plus miles per gallon. I know that isn't you average economy car and I'm OK with that as I use thew truck for work. I now am lucky to see 12 mile per gallon with the newer fuel we are forced to use in California. This newer fuel has not been proven to do anything for our environment yet we've allowed Sacramento to continue requiring it. It added to the cost and they increase the tax and were not supposed to be frustrated by that. We continue to buy oil from other sources at extremely high prices and sell our own oil to other countries for extremely low prices and we're not supposed to be frustrated by that. We have enough oil in our own land to supply our needs and bring the worlds price down to a competitive level yet we don't because the damage it would do to OPEC and our politicians hide behind the environmentalists. Oh yah, we're not supposed to be frustrated by that.

I don't know when it happened but at some point the cycling community has seemed to become so liberal that they have lost all reason....Say it ain't so
Pretty well written and reasoned for an American, actually...
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
6,649
26
SF, CA
The only thing I've noted about motorcycles is that they emit more pollutants in every measured category other than C02 compared to passenger cars. It's the manufacturer's fault for being greedy - they'll lose a small bit of profit if they have to make emission controls comparable to passenger cars. They are stealing from the public's healthcare costs by not making cleaner motorcycles. That's starting to change but who knows if the GOP neuters the EPA...
Or it could be that it's really difficult to fit the equipment for tighter emissions controls within the very confined space of a motorcycle.

Also, nice dismissal of CO2 as unimportant. Guess global warming isn't a big deal? My little beemer got 70mpg and took 1/5 of the energy and materials to manufacture of, say, a prius, golf TDI, or civic hybrid. It also took up less space on the road and in the city, easing congestion. It spent zero time idling in traffic.

Could motorcycles be cleaner? Yes. Should they be? Yes. Is it some massive conspiracy led by the manufacturers to poison the populace? Sure, that's more likely than, say, the fact that motorcycles represent such a tiny proportion of traffic in the US that it's not worth the EPA or CARB's time to battle the highly vocal riders/populace over emissions. This is one of those rare cases where you can blame the people, not the corporations.