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Lets hope that "she" doesn't pull a Lafave. 
man, I feel bad for his/her three kids, don't know what I'd do if my dad had a takeadick-tomy and the whole world knew about it. ........
meh..There's a psych doctor at the childrens hospital that my GF works at that went from a man to a woman.
Maybe not if the kids are exposed to it and it's explained. But jesus....how do you think Kindergarten kids will react and how can you explain that to them at that point?
I don't know if the psychology behind something like this has ever been studied, but I'm sure it's not the greatest thing to throw at very young children in their formative years.
I give him/her credit for actually standing up and putting up a fight to get back teaching though...
i don t have kids, but if i did i couldn t imagine wanting this
as their teacher.........
edit - the photo was so evil it just wouldn t work
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i agree rob, kindergarten.... for christ sake... talk about confusion... poor kids have enough BS in their lives without this freakshow...
as their teacher.........
edit - the photo was so evil it just wouldn t work
...i agree rob, kindergarten.... for christ sake... talk about confusion... poor kids have enough BS in their lives without this freakshow...
Wow, what an interesting debate, I can really see both sides of the issue here.
I would definitely be wary of my kids being in her class, but that could easily be a result of my fear of transgender people, having never met such a person. Maybe these kids will grow up to be very tolerent, open minded, and respectful people. Maybe they will grow up to be completely wacky. Only one way to find out!
I would definitely be wary of my kids being in her class, but that could easily be a result of my fear of transgender people, having never met such a person. Maybe these kids will grow up to be very tolerent, open minded, and respectful people. Maybe they will grow up to be completely wacky. Only one way to find out!
I don't quite see the point of getting a sex change at the age of 71. It's not like she's go out and find herself a man to ... ugh. I'm stopping RIGHT THERE.
I am not a parent but you can't shelter your kids from the real world forever. And it seems that trying is only going to make them more curious.
Besides, she's better looking than some of the teachers I had!!
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Besides, she's better looking than some of the teachers I had!!
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Don't be such an ass. Calling someone a waste of DNA is pretty dang harsh. This person is doing nothing to harm you or yours. Whether or not they should teach young children is debatable by people way more qualified then any of us.partsbara said:
So some dude wants to be a chick? Who cares? How does it harm you? It doesn't? At least he still looks like a guy so people can tell. No one will date her thinking that she's a real woman.
You guys are a bunch of trannyphobe meanies.
You better watch it or Michele will get ya...
you want to talk about close minded...Dirty said:
well i ve lived / worked (extended periods - over 18 months) in 4 different countries, both sides of the equator...
i ve been to more places in the world than you prolly know exist...
and i m teacher who was shunned and disrespected as i was a 'long haired surfer freak'...
so whatever blows ya hair back... i m refering to this 'waste of DNA' in context of the situation... teaching... i mean this 'person' is 71 years old... you honestly believe that his/her intentions are honourable ????
honestly mate, i could care less what this, or any other freak wants to do... but you have to look at it in context...Ciaran said:Whether or not they should teach young children is debatable by people way more qualified then any of us.
So some dude wants to be a chick? Who cares? How does it harm you? It doesn't? At least he still looks like a guy so people can tell. No one will date her thinking that she's a real woman.
You guys are a bunch of trannyphobe meanies.
You better watch it or Michele will get ya...
i don t think you have kids (i could be wrong), but you don t want a say in who teaches your children ??? you d be in the minority....
partsbara said:
Kids that age would have no idea nor would they care, they just want to play with their crayons.
It's us adults that project our percieved notions of sexuallity on to them (right or wrong). They barely know the difference between a pee pee and a who who.
Think about it for a minute.
seriously, you need to give children more credit than that... you d be surprised what they know...jdschall said:Kids that age would have no idea nor would they care, they just want to play with their crayons.
It's us adults that project our percieved notions of sexuallity on to them (right or wrong). They barely know the difference between a pee pee and a who who.
Think about it for a minute.
how do most kids form their opinions ?? from their parents - i m sure you ll agree...
think about what is said at the childs home by the parents... then think about little johnny talking to mark at break time... talk about wild fire...
I'm not saying that parents shouldn't have or don't have an interist in who teaches their kids. As I said above, the merits of this person teaching very young children is debateable by people more qualified than us. We would just be e-speculating. (Which is what we all do best!)partsbara said:
What I was taking issue with is you using quotation marks when calling this human being (just like you and me) a person. Typing 'person' denotes that you see this human as less of a human or somehow inferior to you. When the reality is that you only know TWO things about this person. 1) that they had a sex change, and 2) that they are a teacher.
What people are taking you to task for is not your love or hate towards transexual sex change people, but that you would treat this person with much the same attitude that slave traders looked at black people with.
Sure maybe teaching little kids is a bad idea. Hell, if I had kids I would NOT want this person teaching my kids. But that doesn't mean that I am a better person than them. Nor should I treat them as a second class person just because I don't agree with what they have done to their body. You grok what I am trying to say? (I don't always get my point across very well)
Sure they might know the physical differences between Johnny's peepee and MaryJane's whowho, I mean kids are kids and they are curious. But they have no idea what the implications of those differences are. They don't know what you used them for. Should they? Seems to me that kids get the "talk" around puberty not age 5.partsbara said:
If the parents of the kids weren't close minded f*ups then that wouldn't happen now would it?partsbara said:
You make it sound like all gay, bi, trans, goat lovers, whatever are going to take your kid aside and molest them. That's a very ignorant view to have.
It's an intresting topic. I have no problem with what she did, but at the same time, I'm not sure I'd want her teaching my daughter (assuming he had previously taught my daughter). I know you can't shelter them for ever, but I'm not sure it's something a 5 year old should have to deal with.
All though it probably all falls back on the parent, and how they handle it. If I, as the parent, made a huge deal of it, then it would be a huge deal to my daugther. If not... then she probably wouldn't think twice about it.
All though it probably all falls back on the parent, and how they handle it. If I, as the parent, made a huge deal of it, then it would be a huge deal to my daugther. If not... then she probably wouldn't think twice about it.
jacksonpt said:
I think that children would be best suited to deal with this. I mean they are an open book. They don't have all the set biases adults have yet. They are very open minded and accept new ideas readily.
close minded parents are 80% of the battle... having taught kids aged 6 - 18 i have to agree... but seriously, heaps of 'talk' happens waayyy before puberty...jdschall said:
you don t really know me so saying that i have a very 'ignorant' view is pretty much off the mark... thats not what i was trying to imply, merely the fact that this person really has no place teaching youngsters...
ciaran - i hear ya... sometimes my POV gets clouded also
... especially tonight... last day of work - finished... already have 4 redbull / vodkas and a hashie pipe under the belt
At first, I agree. I'm just not sure how I'd explain it to my daughter. She's only 4, but she's bright enough that she would pickup on the fact that 'he' (as far as she knows, she is a he) is now wearing dresses and has long hair. She'd comment on/ask about that, and I'm not sure how I'd explain it to her. I couldn't leave it as "some men like to wear dresses, honey"... so I'm not sure how to address her curiosity without getting into penises and vaginas and whatnot.jdschall said:
Now, you put her (the teacher, not my daughter) in a high school, or even junior high, and I have no problems with it in the least.
is that from 'mountain goat madness' IV or V ??stevew said:
scary thought i imagine... especially with a 4 year old !!!jacksonpt said:
enough...
must s e l f med i ca t eeeeeee
Not entirely sure as to the reliability of this, but I remember seeing somewhere that the average age a kid loses his/her virginity these days is 12-13. That's pretty early. I also seem to remember that the study showed that the age of sexual maturity is decreasing (girls hitting menarche around 9 or 10, possiblya year later later, I'm going from memory) as of late. That would mean that indeed, these kinds of issues will begin to crop up in places they shouldn't have to. The article stated she taught K-6th....I remember back in 4th grade getting sex ed (about....9 or 10 years old...I think). It's an interesting conflict if this particular teacher happens to be teaching sex ed.jdschall said:
You're quite correct that kids have no previous bias to work against, but I think the issue is this: if we're trying to define gender roles for males and females (whatever they may be these days, I'm no psychologist), what would having a teacher such as this do to those forming gender roles? I mean, there IS a societal expectation from both genders, or at least I think there is. A lot of the time you have kids getting a lot of that gender role from teachers as well as parents. I'm curious how a transgender teacher would affect those gender roles, if they would at all.jdschall said:
I seriously think, with the way some of our youth are nowadays, I'd be more afraid for the teacher than the kids.jacksonpt said:
Different views. No problem. You are right I shouldn't call you ignorant with out more info. I apologize. I just think it would work itself out with little kids okay.partsbara said:
Actually I have to admit I couldn't see her teaching preteens, middle schoolers. I think that would lead to huge problems. My wife has a really good friend who's just gotten divorced from her husband because he's gay, has been for years and was living a double life, but finally came out. They have 2 kids, 10 and 13 and they are trying to figure out what to tell them. That is one messed up situation right there.
I suspect the kids have some idea though. The thirteen year old just bought his first Ramones CD and was singing "we're a happy family ... Daddy likes men..." to his Dad the other day.
yea, no kidding.robdamanii said:
robdamanii said:
Defining gender roles in this day and age must be tough. Who's to say what's right? Do we need defined roles? Is it a continuum with the norm centered around straight hetero? I'd have no idea where to start.
"It was magnificent," McBeth said afterward. "You saw democracy in action."
no...what you saw was a schoolboard folding under the immense "tolerate or die" mentality of the pink propoganda machine.
edit: this thread will be in the PD forum in 5.....4......3......2......
no...what you saw was a schoolboard folding under the immense "tolerate or die" mentality of the pink propoganda machine.
edit: this thread will be in the PD forum in 5.....4......3......2......
It's almost like learning a new language at that age - much easier because there is less cultural bias and practice. Seeing this happen to someone who was already in their lives could be really good - from a young age they would learn to have open minds. Of course, if you don't agree with the choice this person is making and as parent want to impose your own opinion on your kids you might not want it. And that is understandable I guess - again I am not a parent and am in no place to judge. But to me it smells like denouncing drugs, music or a clothing style - something a parent does at the risk of making the kid more interested in what is forbidden.
I don't disagree that it's tough. In fact, it's probably one of the hardest thing that people struggle with.jdschall said:
I'm not sure what the "norm" these days are. Politically, it seems that non-heterosexual orientation is being discouraged, but popular culture appears to be embracing it much more (what with movies like Brokeback Mountain and such).
The only person to say what's right and wrong is the person who is developing their own gender roles. But I'm not sure that a transgender teacher, who does have a large influcence in forming those roles, wouldn't interefere with development. Again, I'm not a psychologist, so I don't know the answer, it's just a thought I had.
Unlinke drugs or booze, I don't think the kid would suddenly want to change their gender just because the parents say it's bad.OGRipper said:
jdschall said:
ah, the irony.... funny stuff tho'... art imitates life
yeah, crappy situation for sure... poor kids...
'daddy likes men' ... my vote for all time R&R lyric (of the night at least)
Here's a question for all y'all...
What if the person looked good as a woman, and didn't tell the kids? I mean what if this person really looked like a woman, and was just hired so that the only people who know are the school administration. Would you have less of an issue?
And out of curiosity do any of you have experience with transexual people? Friends, relatives, co-workers getting sex changes? I personally know of one person who is doing this. Friend of a friend of a friend type thing. Don't know him very well, but the few times I talked to him he seemed like a cool guy. (I didn't know at the time about his "other" life)
What if the person looked good as a woman, and didn't tell the kids? I mean what if this person really looked like a woman, and was just hired so that the only people who know are the school administration. Would you have less of an issue?
And out of curiosity do any of you have experience with transexual people? Friends, relatives, co-workers getting sex changes? I personally know of one person who is doing this. Friend of a friend of a friend type thing. Don't know him very well, but the few times I talked to him he seemed like a cool guy. (I didn't know at the time about his "other" life)
You are probably right but don't underestimate the extent of rebellion.robdamanii said:Unlinke drugs or booze, I don't think the kid would suddenly want to change their gender just because the parents say it's bad.
All I'm saying is you can try to impose a view on someone, or you can be honest about the situation and explain the facts as well as your opinion, and let the kid decide for him/herself. I never liked the first approach when I was a kid.
And yeah I know we're talking about little kids here. And yeah I don't have kids and should probably STFU!
What Would Jesus Do...????
I have no experience... at least not that I know of.Ciaran said:
If my daughter was oblivious to it, it would be less of an issue as her curiosity wouldn't be peaked. If my daughter were older, it wouldn't be an issue either.
That kid would be the king sh!t at school.OGRipper said:You are probably right but don't underestimate the extent of rebellion.
All I'm saying is you can try to impose a view on someone, or you can be honest about the situation and explain the facts as well as your opinion, and let the kid decide for him/herself. I never liked the first approach when I was a kid.
And yeah I know we're talking about little kids here. And yeah I don't have kids and should probably STFU!
Kid 1: "My dad wouldn't let me go out so I snuck out last night"
Kid 2: "Yeah? My dad wouldn't let me get my ear pierced so I went and got my tongue pierced."
Kid 3: "You guys are rookies. My dad didn't like the transgender teacher and said I shouldn't like her eithe, so I cut my willy off! That'll show him."