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urbaindk · Feb 28, 2006

Ciaran said:
And out of curiosity do any of you have experience with transexual people? Friends, relatives, co-workers getting sex changes? I personally know of one person who is doing this. Friend of a friend of a friend type thing. Don't know him very well, but the few times I talked to him he seemed like a cool guy. (I didn't know at the time about his "other" life)

Same situation as you. Just friends of friends. I can't say that they seemed all that normal though, mostly very angry.

I was sort of on the periphery of the lesbian rock scene in NC for a while. I was the lone male in a band of females. The band was a 50-50 split straight and lesbian and we played a 50-50 split of lesbian bars and straight clubs. I had opportunity to have all sorts of encounters with all kinds of people. One person in particular I remember was a preop female to male. Mostly she/he just seemed really angry at the world. I can't honestly say I understood her situation or motives but I tried to respect it.

As a man I was always the outsider and was treated with suspicion and never got to close to anybody outside my close circle of associates.

beestiboy · Feb 28, 2006

Sorry but Mrs. Doubtfire doesnt belong in a classroom in a public institution. He has every right to lop off his manhood and wear skirts, but in this world of PC and high tolerance it doesnt give the school board the right to expose children to him. Now if he (remember he has and X and a Y chromosome still) wants to teach and all parents are on board cool! But as a substitute teacher there isnt an alternative for parents, they cant send their child to another classroom for a day or two until the usual teacher comes back.

urbaindk · Feb 28, 2006

partsbara said:
certainally sounds different... can t say i ve experienced that scene but i applaud you for being open minded enough to be cool with it...

You have no idea.... :help:

partsbara said:
not trying to be smart or anything... but did you see jay leno - john melendez on the hunt for new bands not so long ago ???

i immediately thought of meledez busting into the rehersal of the band 'alpha shemale'...

after busting into the studio / rehersal room his comment was something along the lines of 'some doors are better left unopened'

I didn't see it. Sound's funny though. I'm all for poking fun at people if it's in the right spirit... Leno actually made fun of a friend of mine's band on his show not to long ago:

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/headlines/H_2964/27.shtml#headline

They are actually one of the bands we used to play with quite frequently.

johnbryanpeters · Feb 28, 2006

N8 said:
What Would Jesus Do...????

Nothing. He presumably died about two millennia ago.

JohnE · Feb 28, 2006

...and i m teacher who was shunned and disrespected as i was a 'long haired surfer freak'...

But Partsy, you ARE a "long haired surfer freak"!

Ciaran · Feb 28, 2006

beestiboy said:
Sorry but Mrs. Doubtfire doesnt belong in a classroom in a public institution. He has every right to lop off his manhood and wear skirts, but in this world of PC and high tolerance it doesnt give the school board the right to expose children to him. Now if he (remember he has and X and a Y chromosome still) wants to teach and all parents are on board cool! But as a substitute teacher there isnt an alternative for parents, they cant send their child to another classroom for a day or two until the usual teacher comes back.

Oh but mister Beesty you get me sooooo hawt!!!!

Me thinks Partsbara be protesting too much. You have something you wanna tell us, Parts? Hitting a little close to home?

kinghami3 · Feb 28, 2006

OGRipper said:
I am not a parent but you can't shelter your kids from the real world forever. And it seems that trying is only going to make them more curious.

Besides, she's better looking than some of the teachers I had!!

:love:

Um, this is not the real world. 71 year old substitute teachers getting a sex change is not normal by any standard.

Ciaran · Feb 28, 2006

partsbara said:
guinness is bad for you... thats why i m havin another

OK... I approve.

I have Guinness waiting for me at home. :thumb:

Guinness and transexuals don't mix.

OGRipper · Feb 28, 2006

kinghami3 said:
Um, this is not the real world. 71 year old substitute teachers getting a sex change is not normal by any standard.

I generally agree, but aren't you really talking about YOUR standards? I mean come on, standards are always changing. Something like this is definitely less shocking now than it would have been 20 or 30 years ago. Sooner or later the kids will hear about it. So I think it's about how much control parents want over their kids. Don't get me wrong - I would probably want a lot of control if I had kids. But I hope I would also avoid perpetuating cultural bias about things I don't understand.

And why isn't anyone talking about whether this person is a good teacher or not?

OGRipper · Feb 28, 2006

Oh man I just saw this and couldn't resist:

Barry Bonds

sanjuro · Feb 28, 2006

OGRipper said:
I generally agree, but aren't you really talking about YOUR standards? I mean come on, standards are always changing. Something like this is definitely less shocking now than it would have been 20 or 30 years ago. Sooner or later the kids will hear about it. So I think it's about how much control parents want over their kids. Don't get me wrong - I would probably want a lot of control if I had kids. But I hope I would also avoid perpetuating cultural bias about things I don't understand.

And why isn't anyone talking about whether this person is a good teacher or not?

I hate bigotry of any kind, particularily the crap that Michelle Dumanesque has to suffer thru, so a title like "another quality human being" is disgusting.

Transexuality is a rather sophisticated concept to explain to any child, and it seems hard to ignore in this case. One might use similar arguments if a teacher was gay, but if he/she was professional, I do not see any problem.

However, this is a 71-year-old substitute teacher. If this guy/girl was competent, doncha think he would have a permanent job by now?

OGRipper · Feb 28, 2006

sanjuro said:
However, this is a 71-year-old substitute teacher. If this guy/girl was competent, doncha think he would have a permanent job by now?

I have no idea if this person is competent or if she wants a more permanent job. Maybe she does and can't get one because of bias against her. Maybe she is just a crappy teacher. Or maybe she is happy being a substitute. I have no idea and was just pointing out that her qualifications have not been discussed in a debate about whether she is fit to keep teaching. The only thing I know is that she was apparently fit to teach before, at least as a substitute.

BuddhaRoadkill · Feb 28, 2006

Thanks for reminding me how wretched humanity can be. :mumble:

The only issue here is ignant parents talking trash. With any luck, they will pull their doomed offspring out of this school. That would leave a wonderful learning environment for the children of quality parents.

partsbara said:
well put....

... for Arkansas circa 1957

sanjuro · Feb 28, 2006

OGRipper said:
I have no idea if this person is competent or if she wants a more permanent job. Maybe she does and can't get one because of bias against her. Maybe she is just a crappy teacher. Or maybe she is happy being a substitute. I have no idea and was just pointing out that her qualifications have not been discussed in a debate about whether she is fit to keep teaching. The only thing I know is that she was apparently fit to teach before, at least as a substitute.

This is where logic and reality conflict. Yes there has been no discussion about this person's competence as a substitute teacher, so logic dictates that this person might an extremely competent substitute teacher and if so, should retain her job.

My experience tells me that substitute teachers are place holders until a regular teacher returns and one less does not bother me.

Frankly if I was to take on the banner of transexuals, this would not be the battle I choose.

OGRipper · Feb 28, 2006

I am not crusading for anyone and didn't "choose" this battle. It showed up on RM and I'm just giving my $.02.

sanjuro · Feb 28, 2006

OGRipper said:
I am not crusading for anyone and didn't "choose" this battle. It showed up on RM and I'm just giving my $.02.

I was thinking about myself. For example, the Gwen Araujo murder case makes me mad that people still hold that much hostility towards transsexuals and gays.

So whether this 71 year old substitute teacher gets her job back doesn't really interest me.

Ciaran · Feb 28, 2006

OGRipper said:
I am not crusading for anyone and didn't "choose" this battle. It showed up on RM and I'm just giving my $.02.

Dang transexuals... always showing up on RM like that!

I have to say, this discussion has been waaay more adult than the one about Michele Dumaresque. (http://ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63446 ) And it's interesting to see other peoples point of view on a subject such as this. I never knew that Partsbara was a tranny lover or that Sanjuro was a tranny crusader.

I kid! I kid!

sanjuro · Feb 28, 2006

Ciaran said:
Dang transexuals... always showing up on RM like that!

I have to say, this discussion has been waaay more adult than the one about Michele Dumaresque. (http://ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63446 ) And it's interesting to see other peoples point of view on a subject such as this. I never knew that Partsbara was a tranny lover or that Sanjuro was a tranny crusader.

I kid! I kid!

Why do think I live in San Francisco?

Ciaran · Feb 28, 2006

sanjuro said:
Why do think I live in San Francisco?

I thought it was cause you are a hippy.

I checked out that link to Gwen Araujo... dang. In the article was this... "Transgendered related murders happen over once a month. "

I had no idea that transgendered people were being murdered like that. I also followed a link on that page to Remembering Our Dead, a web page listing the transexuals who have been murdered. Some of those stories are extremly sad. There was one listed that said that one girl was murdered on a New York sidewalk and people actually cheered. (according to the website)(of course it IS new york so they mght have just been cheering the violence, not that she was transexual

)

Of course transexuals aren't exactly mainstream so I wouldn't be expected to know about stuff like that. But dang.

Ciaran · Feb 28, 2006

partsbara said:
ciaran, we need to stop axe murdering, spear throwing animals like you... transgender athlete lovin 57 chevy drivin POS

I think you need a custom title.... "Tranny Lover"!!!!

And I would never kill a tranny... unless she got in the way of my spear. Or my mace.

OGRipper · Feb 28, 2006

partsbara said:
please.. transgender mathlete.... since i m addicted to math problems...

Cheers ya'll, way to keep it on the high road. Now excuse me, I need to catch up with parts and throw back a few...

robdamanii · Feb 28, 2006

This thread needs something.....

Ciaran · Feb 28, 2006

partsbara said:
is that a body part that once belonged to darth vader ??

Darth Vader had a sex change? :eek:

sanjuro · Feb 28, 2006

Darth Vader had sex?

geargrrl · Feb 28, 2006

jacksonpt said:
It's an intresting topic. I have no problem with what she did, but at the same time, I'm not sure I'd want her teaching my daughter (assuming he had previously taught my daughter). I know you can't shelter them for ever, but I'm not sure it's something a 5 year old should have to deal with.

Well, it could all be dealt with quite honestly: god put him/her in the wrong gender body and s/he got it fixed by the doctors... but in a public school setting there are so many conflicting values! That answer might work for one family, ( it would for mine) but not another.

gg

Ciaran · Feb 28, 2006

partsbara said:
the dark lord IS SEXXX

I think s/he prefers to be called the Dark Lady these days. Darth Vera?

"Luuuuuke... I am your father, I mean your MOTHER."

geargrrl · Feb 28, 2006

jdschall said:
Actually I have to admit I couldn't see her teaching preteens, middle schoolers. I think that would lead to huge problems. My wife has a really good friend who's just gotten divorced from her husband because he's gay, has been for years and was living a double life, but finally came out. They have 2 kids, 10 and 13 and they are trying to figure out what to tell them. That is one messed up situation right there.

BTDT, both my parents were gay and had secret lives unvieled when I was a teen. I wish people would just be honest about that stuff, it would save a whole lot of misery and pain. Instead, they were just a bunch of dsyfunctional ****ups. The worst part was when my dad started making passes at my boyfriends after he came out ...

gg

Kopiklokoli · Feb 28, 2006

Let people do what they want, dont judge so much. It is not like this will do anything to change your life.

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