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manimal

Ociffer Tackleberry
Feb 27, 2002
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i got this email from a friend and it concerned me. not only because of who it came from but because i agree with some of it and see the bias of it's author (unknown who the author is, chain letter)

it bothers me that we've become so polarized in this arena that you're either for or against on every issue, there is no longer room to do anything but generalize.

anyway, here's the email, i'll bold the parts that i find worthy of an educated thought and highlight in red the areas that are simply hate disguised as pride. the rest seems to be ignorant drivel.
___________________________________________________
Subject: Racist?


Someone else besides me finally said it. how many are actually paying attention to this?



There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian
Americans, Arab Americans, Native Americans, ect. and then there
are just Americans.


You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You
call me "Whiteboy," "Cracker," "Honkey," "Whitey," "Caveman" and
that's OK.

But when I call you, Nigger, Kike, Towelhead, Sand-nigger,
Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink you call me a racist.


You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you,
so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
You have the NAACP.
You have BET.


If we had WET(White Entertainment Television) we'd be
racists.
If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.
If we had White History Month, we'd be racists.
; If we had any organization for only whites to "advance"
our lives, we'd be racists.


We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of
Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.
Wonder who pays for that?


If we had a college fund that only gave white students
scholarships, you know we'd be racists. There are over 60 openly
proclaimed Black Colleges in the US, yet if there were "White
colleges" that would be a racist college.


In the Million Man March, you believed that you were
marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race
and rights, you would call us racists.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and
you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white
pride, you call us racists.


You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white
police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black
drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society,
you call him a racist.

I am proud. But, you call me a racist.

Why is it that only whites can be racists?

There is nothing improper abo ut this email.

Let's see which of you are proud enough to forward it.
__________________________________________________

now, had the author not been so adamant about the "white pride" bit it would probably have more merit. although it isn't difficult to see through the rhetoric, there are some interesting points. agencies and classifications that only perpetuate the problem by their very existence.
 

Silver

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Jul 20, 2002
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White people whining about this remind me of the time when I asked my Grandmonther on Grandparent's Day why there wasn't a special Grandchildren's Day.

She said it was because every day is Grandchildren's Day.

If we marched for our race
and rights, you would call us racists.


Well, that depends. Are you marching with your hood on or off?
 

jaydee

Monkey
Jul 5, 2001
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All the interest groups mentioned in that White Power rant were initially formed out of need and because of persecution in some form. You can't claim that blacks, Hispanics, gays, and all the various immigrant and aboriginal populations would ever have a fair chance to compete with whites if they didn't fight for the right. Silver, you got it bang-on right in your comment. I like it. And I'm not a member of any of these groups, unless one of them is for skinny old heterosexual white guys in spandex.
 

manimal

Ociffer Tackleberry
Feb 27, 2002
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Silver said:
White people whining about this remind me of the time when I asked my Grandmonther on Grandparent's Day why there wasn't a special Grandchildren's Day.

She said it was because every day is Grandchildren's Day.

If we marched for our race
and rights, you would call us racists.


Well, that depends. Are you marching with your hood on or off?

i agree, but why have all of these divisional organizations based simply on race? shouldn't these "self help" organizations be based on class/income level. it just seems that the multiple organizations designed to help level the playing field for minorities only further segregates the races by preaching the for us/against us mentality.
 

Old Man G Funk

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manimal said:
i agree, but why have all of these divisional organizations based simply on race? shouldn't these "self help" organizations be based on class/income level. it just seems that the multiple organizations designed to help level the playing field for minorities only further segregates the races by preaching the for us/against us mentality.
The only "for us/against us" I see is in the original email.
 

manimal

Ociffer Tackleberry
Feb 27, 2002
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I guess you've never had to deal with the NAACP huh? I'm not saying this guy isn't extremely one-sided, however, it only takes a few minutes of talking with a local NAACP rep to realize that hate doesn't have to hide behind a white sheet. There is ignorance on every side when people are polarized by race.
 

Old Man G Funk

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manimal said:
I guess you've never had to deal with the NAACP huh? I'm not saying this guy isn't extremely one-sided, however, it only takes a few minutes of talking with a local NAACP rep to realize that hate doesn't have to hide behind a white sheet. There is ignorance on every side when people are polarized by race.
Look, I'm not saying that only whites can be racist or hate. What I am saying is that having organizations dedicated to advancing the cause of minorities doesn't necessarily lead to an us/them dichotomy.
 

BurlyShirley

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Jul 4, 2002
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Old Man G Funk said:
Look, I'm not saying that only whites can be racist or hate. What I am saying is that having organizations dedicated to advancing the cause of minorities doesn't necessarily lead to an us/them dichotomy.
Well, technically it IS divisive. And with all the preaching about being "Color Blind" and "Equal" programs like these DO IN FACT alienate people. But Im not saying they dont serve a purpose.

I think the email misses a very clear point. "WHITE" isnt something I necessarily think of myself as. Im Polish, and there are in fact, Polish scholarships, communities, holidays... The same can be said for most nationalities. So I really dont feel like Im getting the short end of the stick, but I can see why some poor white trash (Not Saying You Manimal) would have a beef with the lack of govt. handouts to white people.
The things that ACTUALLY piss me off about the race issue are mostly to do with education standards. Like colleges accepting blacks with low GPA's etc... I mean, other races, Asians, Indians, they all EXCEL in these arenas with no help.
 

Old Man G Funk

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BurlyShirley said:
Well, technically it IS divisive. And with all the preaching about being "Color Blind" and "Equal" programs like these DO IN FACT alienate people. But Im not saying they dont serve a purpose.

I think the email misses a very clear point. "WHITE" isnt something I necessarily think of myself as. Im Polish, and there are in fact, Polish scholarships, communities, holidays... The same can be said for most nationalities. So I really dont feel like Im getting the short end of the stick, but I can see why some poor white trash (Not Saying You Manimal) would have a beef with the lack of govt. handouts to white people.
The things that ACTUALLY piss me off about the race issue are mostly to do with education standards. Like colleges accepting blacks with low GPA's etc... I mean, other races, Asians, Indians, they all EXCEL in these arenas with no help.
An organization seeking to advance minorities is automatically "divisive"? Why do you assume that it has to be at the expense of all others?
 

BurlyShirley

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Old Man G Funk said:
An organization seeking to advance minorities is automatically "divisive"? Why do you assume that it has to be at the expense of all others?
Does the term minority not explain that?:rolleyes:
 

Silver

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Jul 20, 2002
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manimal said:
i agree, but why have all of these divisional organizations based simply on race? shouldn't these "self help" organizations be based on class/income level.
Well, to give one example, it was only 50 years ago that the accepted policy at many universities was "No blacks may apply."

That's why you have traditionally black colleges. By the way, ask the guy who sent the email if he can find a black college that doesn't admit white students at all.
 

Silver

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BurlyShirley said:
The things that ACTUALLY piss me off about the race issue are mostly to do with education standards. Like colleges accepting blacks with low GPA's etc... I mean, other races, Asians, Indians, they all EXCEL in these arenas with no help.
The same thing bothers me with legacy admissions. Meritocracy my ass...
 

BurlyShirley

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Old Man G Funk said:
So, are you seriously going to argue that scholarships should be open to all? What are you, a socialist now?
Socialist? Nothing is more free-enterprise than a free-for-all on education. let the kids who make the grades, teams go to school on MERIT. OR if you're going to give people breaks, do it on economic standing NOT race. IMO.
 

Westy

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Nov 22, 2002
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BurlyShirley said:
Socialist? Nothing is more free-enterprise than a free-for-all on education. let the kids who make the grades, teams go to school on MERIT. OR if you're going to give people breaks, do it on economic standing NOT race. IMO.
What about the people who donate money for those scholarships, shouldn't they be allowed to say what group gets the money?
 

Silver

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BurlyShirley said:
let the kids who make the grades, teams go to school on MERIT. OR if you're going to give people breaks, do it on economic standing NOT race. IMO.
You probably have to deal with school funding first. My nephews go to high school in this city:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Park,_California

It's pretty easy to see the huge advantage that they have compared to someone going to school in Santa Ana.
 

Westy

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DRB said:
So if the Klan wants to sponsor a scholarship for a qualified white protestant student only, that's okay?
Yes. It is their money and they should be able to do whatever the hell they want to do with it. Should government grants be issued just for white protestants or six fingered black lesbian midgets? No.
 

BurlyShirley

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Jul 4, 2002
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The funny thing to me is that using race as an indicator of economic standing is the very definition of racist.
 

BurlyShirley

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Silver said:
You say "sure" but the public outcry "against" such a scholarship would be significant. I think that was the point of the email, that in the grand scheme, equality has been lost when it comes to things like this. Maybe some people think "rightly so" but two wrongs, as they say, dont make a right, regardless of how vindicated some folks might feel about it.
 

Old Man G Funk

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BurlyShirley said:
Socialist? Nothing is more free-enterprise than a free-for-all on education. let the kids who make the grades, teams go to school on MERIT. OR if you're going to give people breaks, do it on economic standing NOT race. IMO.
But, you would tell people who to give their scholarships to? Commie.
 

Ciaran

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Apr 5, 2004
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BurlyShirley said:
The funny thing to me is that using race as an indicator of economic standing is the very definition of racist.
I agree with this statement 100%.
 

Old Man G Funk

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BurlyShirley said:
You say "sure" but the public outcry "against" such a scholarship would be significant. I think that was the point of the email, that in the grand scheme, equality has been lost when it comes to things like this. Maybe some people think "rightly so" but two wrongs, as they say, dont make a right, regardless of how vindicated some folks might feel about it.
Considering the correlation between being poor and being a minority, I'm not surprised there would be a public outcry. Let's face facts here, blacks are much more likely to be born poor, attend poor school districts, etc. So, poor whitey is oppressed now because we are trying to level the playing field? Oh please. Should I go get a violin and start playing a sad tune for you now?
 

BurlyShirley

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Jul 4, 2002
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Old Man G Funk said:
Considering the correlation between being poor and being a minority, I'm not surprised there would be a public outcry. Let's face facts here, blacks are much more likely to be born poor, attend poor school districts, etc. So, poor whitey is oppressed now because we are trying to level the playing field? Oh please. Should I go get a violin and start playing a sad tune for you now?
We have a smiley for that.

I bet if you looked up the #'s for poor blacks vs. poor whites (NOT PER CAPITA) that there'd be more poor whites.
 

Ciaran

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Old Man G Funk said:
There's a difference between saying all blacks are poor and saying that there is a correlation between being poor and being black (or a minority).
Yup. But using race as an economic indicator is more than just pointing out the correlations.
 

Old Man G Funk

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BurlyShirley said:
We have a smiley for that.

I bet if you looked up the #'s for poor blacks vs. poor whites (NOT PER CAPITA) that there'd be more poor whites.
Go ahead and look it up then. Support your argument. You might also want to correlate it with the percentage of each population. So, even if there are more whites that are poor, if they only make up 25% of the white population, while poor blacks make up 75% of the black population, it would still be a problem.