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DRB

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kidwoo said:
Not so sure those tax cuts are going to hold

Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, told Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., she would oppose the measure as fiscally unwise and an unfair boost to the affluent as Congress cuts programs for the poor.

Snowe's opposition would sink the bill. Even if she changes her position, the measure faces an uncertain future on the floor. Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio, announced his opposition Tuesday.

"I do not know how anyone can say with a straight face that when we voted to cut spending last week to help achieve deficit reductions we can now then turn around two weeks later to provide tax cuts that exceed the reduction in spending," he said.
 

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DRB said:
Not so sure those tax cuts are going to hold
Yeah I saw that. I for one hope it happens. She's going to be called a rino now.

Kind of nuts just how much is in this one bill.

Tax cuts as part of a spending restriction bill are silly. Especially to the brackets that have already seen such nice ones.
 

DRB

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The reality is that this is a perfect of example of moderate Republicans in the house flexing their muscle in the absence of Delay's leadership. Under him they had been marginialized and browbeaten into going along with the conservative agenda. This has been mainly because the GOP could always count on a conservative band of Democrats to cover any defections by the moderates. But even these Dems are not breaking ranks any longer. So now the moderate GOP members have become important and they are exacting their "revenge". And even after they got pretty much what they wanted, they still held out for more.

Samething with the Senate with Frist's leadership hurt because of his ethics issues. Though to a greater extent this breaking from the pack is more common in the Senate. It also has a great deal to do with Bush's plummeting approval ratings then it does in the House. Notice that Rick Santorum is not going to be with Bush at his Veteran's Day Speech in Pennsylvania today. Specter not being there isn't a surprise but Santorum's absence is telling about politicians not wanting to get Bush cooties right now.

The problem is the Democrats still can't get their message organized. They are missing a beyond golden opportunity to strikes some serious blows that could further their cause for the mid-terms.
 

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DRB said:
The reality is that this is a perfect of example of moderate Republicans in the house flexing their muscle in the absence of Delay's leadership. Under him they had been marginialized and browbeaten into going along with the conservative agenda. This has been mainly because the GOP could always count on a conservative band of Democrats to cover any defections by the moderates. But even these Dems are not breaking ranks any longer. So now the moderate GOP members have become important and they are exacting their "revenge". And even after they got pretty much what they wanted, they still held out for more.

Samething with the Senate with Frist's leadership hurt because of his ethics issues. Though to a greater extent this breaking from the pack is more common in the Senate. It also has a great deal to do with Bush's plummeting approval ratings then it does in the House. Notice that Rick Santorum is not going to be with Bush at his Veteran's Day Speech in Pennsylvania today. Specter not being there isn't a surprise but Santorum's absence is telling about politicians not wanting to get Bush cooties right now.

The problem is the Democrats still can't get their message organized. They are missing a beyond golden opportunity to strikes some serious blows that could further their cause for the mid-terms.
Good points. Delay had such huge fundraising capabilities any moderate that disagreed with him and his ilk would risk losing $$ and getting outed in a primary. Seeing as though the Democrats couldn't organize their way through a crosswalk I would be happy to see moderate or classic conservatives gain power. Quite frankly I don't see that happening either.
 

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Westy said:
Good points. Delay had such huge fundraising capabilities any moderate that disagreed with him and his ilk would risk losing $$ and getting outed in a primary. Seeing as though the Democrats couldn't organize their way through a crosswalk I would be happy to see moderate or classic conservatives gain power. Quite frankly I don't see that happening either.
Bingo. Regardless of the outcome of his legal issues, I find it hard to believe that he will be anywhere near as succesful in the future. And if he can't bring the money, he is pretty much useless to the GOP.

The best thing for the Democrats short of getting their act together would be for the GOP controlled Congress to pass a bill that Bush vetos. With the Senate continually adding McCain's torture provisions to the Defense spending bill, with its almost unanimous support, and Gregg's elimination of the enticement funds for getting more managed care companies into Medicare, its a definate possibility. That is if the House would go along with either which seemed unlikely a week or so ago but now who knows.

Either way its actually interesting to keep up with what's going on in Congress these days.