Any Bushcraft or Bikepacking people here? Need hammock advice

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  1. norbar

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    I'm looking to do a superlight backpacking trip. I don't want no bike bags or other bs hanging off my bike. Everything has to fit my 35l evoc. This is why I won't be using a tent and I've been told to use a hammock but I have no real idea about them. Anyone have used them in the summer? Do you need a mat or underquilt during the summer when even at night it's min 60F? Is there anything to look out for or avoid?
     

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    Well that's the point of using a hammock. You don't sleep on the ground.
     
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    No mosquitoes or other blood thirsty flying bugs there?

    I'm interested in a hammock as well that can be setup quickly for post ride naps.
     
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    Will be keen to see if there are any replies to this, I am about to start making my first bike bag but will be taking a 2.2Lb swag and using a mat and quilt setup.
     
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    i had bought my brother one he had never used....there a are hammocks that have their own cover/canopy to keep the flies/mosquitoes out i believe.....they are light....cram them into their own pouch...hang of pack with carbiner.
     
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    Every time I have tried hanging gear on my back with a 'biner It has wound up flapping around and annoying the hell out of me when riding.
     
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    I camped in a hammock a few times. It sucked. One uncomfortable sleeping position. If you don't have one of those fancy sealed weatherproof ones god help you if it rains with some wind. If you have one of those fancy weatherproof ones god help you if it is hot and it rains.
     
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    secure with bungee cord/bungee net then?
     
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    HardtailHack used an iron once

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    You just have a hammock with insect mesh and then run a fly over the top. I can't handle the knees bending slightly backwards for hours so I prefer to sleep on the ground. If you find hammocks comfy they are the best way to camp light and keep dry.
     
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    Buy a mosquito net. Some hammocks even have those integrated.
     
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    For rain you can always put a tarp above your hammock. As for position I've been told people sleep in them wrong. You need to turn sligtly into them so you are not bent llike a banana and then you lie in an almost flat position.
     
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    tarps are heavy, rain flys specific for hammocks are available.
     
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    As are magnets.
     
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    Id tarp tent it.
     
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    Those are expensive. I'm poor. There are sub 900g tarps. Even 500g tarps
     
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    plastic painting drop cloths are light small and cheap :D
     
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    Crazy people who like to sleep in the wildness with as little gear as possible in as shitty weather as possible. Basically survivalists without guns and bunkers
     
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    A tarp is fine until the wind blows the rain under the tarp.
     
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    www.tarptent.com

    I should probably sell my single man, haven't used it in quite a while. Double is used for bikepacking with wifey.
     
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    I love hammock camping. I have a few hammocks. Just bought 2, and looking to fund 1 on kickstarter and 1 on indie gog. But yes there are many things to consider. First is budget and second is weather. Hammocks are prone to CBS, or Cold Butt Syndrome. So yesyou will want something under you. You dont need over and under quilts. A sleeping bag and insulated mat will work, Just blow it up fully than partially deflate so it can conform to the hammock. Thats what i do. Not perfect but it works. Sleeping bags with pad sleeves work better. There are also mats made for hammocks. Hammocks with pad sleeves are best.

    Budget: Quilt are EXPENSIVE. Ground pads are much cheaper and less bulky. I assume you already have a sleeping bag.
    Weather: Low 60's will definitely have CBS, and lead to a terrible night sleep. Rain and wind are not your friends.


    The One-link system is a great system and i use mine where i can... but in South AZ, it means the Mountain or lakes. All being over an hour away. But there are better out there.

    Cheapest set-up will be this:
    https://relaxlife.shop/products/hot-selling-camping-hammock-with-bug-net-and-suspension-system
    with this:
    https://www.walmart.com/ip/Outdoor-Products-Backpacker-s-Tarp-Blue/36547567

    The pad i use.
    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_...ad&sprefix=kylmit+,aps,242&crid=1A9AX7258ICR6

    ENO is a good set-up but the pad will slide around under you unless you sleeping bag has a pad pouch.

    Warbonnet Blackbird will be much better. It lays flatter and has duel layers to slide the pad into so it wont slide.
    https://www.warbonnetoutdoors.com/product/blackbird-xlc/

    Another option on Indie Gogo:
    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/...-want-to-stay-in-forever-camping#/updates/all

    Alternately you can get the bikamper but i would't touch it at $260. Then you got a tent.
    https://www.amazon.com/Topeak-Bikam...=UTF8&qid=1534271590&sr=8-1&keywords=bikamper
     
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    Thanks. My plans got a bit screwed due to my bike needing more work but I think I will just wait till I have more time and money to spare and do it either in the fall or in the spring depending on when I have time and when I can afford to fix my 4th bike.
     
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    You're welcome. Hope it works out for ya.
     
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    You can use a bivy if you want to go minimal with a regular bag.
     
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    The only problem with Bivys is that they can be extremely cramped and have a lot of condensation.
     
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    Yea, a lot of your setup should depend on expected weather. There are some super compact UL tent options. And if there are multiple people going, you can break up the load, like separate the tent and fly/poles. I just bought a Six Moon Designs Lunar Solo. The whole thing is 26 oz, but it is a solo tent. There are some lightweight doubles though, which are even 'lighter' if you split the carry between two or more people.
     
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    If you are gonna share a tent with someone, make sure you like them... especially if they are gonna be smelly after the ride.
     
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    I wouldn't be bike backpacking or bikepacking with anyone I don't like.
     
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    Even if i like the people, i wouldn't want to share a tent. Unless its a GF.
     
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    I use a solo tent 90% It's billed as an ultralight two man...yeah if it's 2 125 pound people. It's a one man for a 6 foot 200 pound person with just enough space for my pack an boots in the vestibule.

    I have a goretex bivy for above snowline on summit attempts. Had to use it on two emergency bivys when the weather socked in on Shasta at 12,000 feet damn glad I had it.

    looking forward to the Hammock showing up for in the forest camping

    my "Solo" Alpine tent