- May 20, 2002
No issues with 1.6s here, its not like F1 didn't cope with small capacity turbo engines in the past!
their whole reasoning behind it is stupid.No issues with 1.6s here, its not like F1 didn't cope with small capacity turbo engines in the past!
KERS wasnt officially banned/stopped, but no one used it this year after it proved to be a joke. (proven by Brawn winning)KERS never left. But now Bernie is applying his middle finger by raising the minimum car weight to 640 kg.
Adding to the bullsh*t is the adjustable wing passing thing for next year.
HE REALLY NEEDS TO GO.
i dont think its a fuel capacity limit. i think its a fuel usage limit. teams are still limited by the amount of fuel they carry since re-fueling is still banned (unless that changes for 2013)non-homologous engine type and a fuel capacity limit would spur the innovation and green tech he wants. If he would just pick a fuel capacity limit, say X gallons, and thats all you get to finish a race. Whether you race with a v12 or a turbo 4, it doesnt matter so long as you build it to finish the race with the fuel he allots.
Wow...I know I was out of the loop on F1 for a number of years...but I've been REALLY out of the loop...No re-fueling on pit stops? when did this rule go into effect?i dont think its a fuel capacity limit. i think its a fuel usage limit. teams are still limited by the amount of fuel they carry since re-fueling is still banned (unless that changes for 2013)
also Bernie is actually on the side of people against the new engines too. its the FIA
it made for some interesting racing. cars obviously got faster towards the end of the race b/c of decreased weight, pit stop strategy wasnt as crucial like it was in the past, the pit stops were under 4 seconds(!) and it also helped root out the teams that obviously couldnt cut it. some of the newer teams didnt build their fuel cells large enough and couldnt finish racesWow...I know I was out of the loop on F1 for a number of years...but I've been REALLY out of the loop...No re-fueling on pit stops? when did this rule go into effect?
Ah....interesting...it made for some interesting racing. cars obviously got faster towards the end of the race b/c of decreased weight, pit stop strategy wasnt as crucial like it was in the past, the pit stops were under 4 seconds(!) and it also helped root out the teams that obviously couldnt cut it. some of the newer teams didnt build their fuel cells large enough and couldnt finish races
While I certainly agree with that looking at the season, isn't it ironic that (bad) pit strategy decided the championship this year.pit stop strategy wasnt as crucial like it was in the past
if it werent for team orders, it wouldnt have been so closeWhile I certainly agree with that looking at the season, isn't it ironic that (bad) pit strategy decided the championship this year.
not a fan of the no re-fueling
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/12/10/officially-official-formula-one-goes-with-1-6-litre-four-cylind/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+weblogsinc/autoblog+(Autoblog)&utm_content=FaceBookSoon we can all say goodbye to the high-revving V8s currently shrieking their way around the world's Formula One circuits. F1 has officially enacted new rules that require all teams to run a new turbocharged 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine design by 2013. In addition, the maximum engine speed will be reduced from the current 18,000 rpm to a maximum of 12,000 rpm.
All told, the changes are expected to allow the vehicles to use around 35 percent less fuel than the outgoing eight-pots, even while churning out very similar power numbers. While neither the FIA nor F1 organizers are willing to throw out any solid numbers, there is word that the engines will use high-pressure gasoline injectors that can dump fuel into the combustion chamber at up to 7,251 psi.
Atomization? Yeah, it looks like they've got that covered.
Interestingly enough, F1 is also moving to limit the number of engines (again) that a team can use during a season. Right now, the rules allow for a stable of eight engines, though by 2013, that number will drop to five before falling to four soon after. That would mean on top of nabbing better fuel economy and yielding high power, the new lumps will need to be stout enough to take the abuse of multiple races without popping.
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/36209.htmlThe FIA has confirmed several key rule changes for 2011 and beyond including the lifting of the ban on team orders during the final meeting of the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) in Monaco.
Team orders were originally banned following Ferrari's manipulation of the 2002 Austrian Grand Prix but the issue again reared its head in this year's German Grand Prix when Ferrari ordered Felipe Massa to surrender the lead to team-mate Fernando Alonso, sparking furious debate.
"The article forbidding team orders (39.1) is deleted. Teams will be reminded that any actions liable to bring the sport into disrepute are dealt with under Article 151c of the International Sporting Code and any other relevant provisions," read the FIA statement.
Along with a return to team orders, the FIA also rubber-stamped the introduction of adjustable rear wings for overtaking and the return of energy-recovery KERS systems.
you mean VW? there were no politics b/w the two. VW wants nothing to do with F1lets not forget there's a lot of politics between F1 and VAG in this engine decision.
that article is about a month behind the news.
How much are the drivers paid … and who has been the worst-paid champion?
The best paid driver in 2010 was Fernando Alonso, who received $40 million in salary from Ferrari - a record for any driver. He hasn't always been top of the pile though and is also the worst-paid champion in the last decade. When he won his first title in 2005, as a relatively unknown driver, he received 'only' $6 million from Renault.
In terms of cost to run against points, which was the most and least successful team in 2010?
The best performing team was McLaren, which spent an estimated $460,000 per point it scored in 2010. The worst were the three new teams, who together spent around $200 million without gaining a single point.
We often hear about the huge sums Bernie Ecclestone charges to host a grand prix. Exactly how much does he cream off from circuits?
Formula Money estimates that the total amount that Formula One Management (FOM) received from the 19 Formula One circuits this year was $561 million. Bernie Ecclestone personally doesn't get any direct share in this, however, as a 5.3% shareholder in FOM's Jersey-based parent company Delta Topco he receives a portion of the business's profits. The revenue from race hosting fees is believed to be the source of FOM's biggest profits since there are very few costs associated with it: the company simply grants the rights to races and receives money for doing so.
lets not forget there's a lot of politics between F1 and VAG in this engine decision.
Sounds like my own car might have a better engine note mind you
Looking further into this it doesnt look AS bad as it seems so far.i think reinstating team orders is a good idea. they were obviously happening since the ban and will always play a part in F1. the drivers are going to listen to the people who pay them and whats good for the "team."
they are even more prevalent since radio broadcasts have been able to be heard by everyone and now for next year, the broadcasters will be able to hear everything.
bringing in new engines is indeed a step backwards, especially in "cost cutting." bringing KERS back isnt going to help either, nor will the limit of engines and the tranny regulation too.
should be interesting to see how many teams will use the spec Cosworth engine in 2013 w/ engine developments costs rising.
That plan for advanced or multiple turbos in coming years sounds juicy.F1 ENGINE RULES FROM 2013
1.6-litre, four-cylinder turbos with energy recovery and fuel restrictions to replace current 2.4-litre normally aspirated V8s
Fuel efficiency to increase by a target of 50%
Overall power to remain same at approx 750bhp
Checks and balances to ensure costs are contained and performance across all engines remains comparable
Plan for advanced 'compound' turbos to be introduced in subsequent years
Power of Kers energy recovery systems to increase from 60kw in 2011 to 120kw in 2013
you are no fun.that sounds totally ridiculous and fake (and it is)
i wonder if that 50% is the target for 2013 or the years after that. the few articles i rear threw 35% out as a fuel mileage increase.Looking further into this it doesnt look AS bad as it seems so far.
That plan for advanced or multiple turbos in coming years sounds juicy.
Also what this will do to the aero work will be interesting now. That above head intake probably wont be so necessary anymore.
its a Honda. my SN shoulda given it awayyou are no fun.
True. Whats funny about all of this is, a cars economy will benefit significantly more from a better aero package than its power plant, as F1 has proved time and time again (and physics for that matter). Constructors should be allowed to do the 2007 era aero body work going by the same logic as all of these "green" engine changes.i wonder if that 50% is the target for 2013 or the years after that. the few articles i rear threw 35% out as a fuel mileage increase.
id like to see the aero packages from the V10 2007 era. they looked so crazy they were a good ugly. and the sound they made in combination with the traction control's noise was something to dream of.
its a Honda. my SN shoulda given it away
lets hope so. we've played catch up every year it seems. '09 was obviously a waste and '10 almost seemed like a waste too.Ferrari the innovator in 2011? silly season continues.
the veins just near the rear wing look like someway to get around the ban on the f-ductTheir initial F11 rendering has some interesting veins all over it. Some of which include splitters under the nose section. Both williams and mclaren have tried this in the past only to abandon them after a few races.
Im no fan of big red, but i really hope that their smart material rumor is true. As that is the first middle finger of 2011 to the FIA and its sh*t rule book.
Ecclestone has admitted that he too is worried about the new exhaust note.
"I don't care whether it's 1.6 or 1.8 litre engines - I'm worried about the sound," he is quoted by motorline.cc. "If we lose the sound of Formula One, we will be losing a great deal."
I would suggest going to Canada before the US. Been to both Indy and Montreal. Much more of a race atmosphere in CA. The shops all change over to F1 stores and the subway takes you everywhere. TX would be hard pressed to give you the same beyond the race.i hope to make it to Austin for the first race too. hopefully their planned 12hr commute to and from the race, doesnt actually turn out to be 12hours!
i was making plans to go to Indy right before they canceled the race there and this year's plans for Montreal didnt pan out , so im really hoping to make it to Texas ( i didnt think id ever say that )