ahhh i didnt know that. heh, you learn something new everydayZutroy said:
Any thoughts on FOES Racing DH bikes?
- Thread starter Chunky Munkey
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Zutroy,
Mono, run over crap bike... Which one? DH Mono or DH 2:1 Mono?
Lovebunny, nice pics link. Love the tabletop crossup, sweet!
Mono, run over crap bike... Which one? DH Mono or DH 2:1 Mono?
Lovebunny, nice pics link. Love the tabletop crossup, sweet!
Chunky Munkey said:
Both, the Mono is one of those bikes like the V-10 that you kinda just lean back and plow through things, not much input from the rider needed.
If your not racing i would disregard the Chumba, it's even more of a pure race bike than the mono.
Foes aren't bad bikes at all. They have their issues like most any other bicycle company (some are better than others I'll admit) but the Mono is a good frameset. You don't see many with linkage issues or frames cracked/broke in half. The shock is a "opinion" shock. Some love it/hate it. But other than that it's a pretty solid foundation for a bike build.
As far as hucking a mono it's been done. Racing it's been done. It's been around long enough now that most any type of aggressive riding had been done on it. So.......you can pretty much do whatever you wanted with it and be fine.
I know that the 2:1 Mono is suspose to be the latest and greatest thing. I have yet to see many around but they are still new and are more costly than others out there. Mono's you can find used if you wanted to save some $$$ and like said above the price has dropped compared to other years for the mono.
As far as hucking a mono it's been done. Racing it's been done. It's been around long enough now that most any type of aggressive riding had been done on it. So.......you can pretty much do whatever you wanted with it and be fine.
I know that the 2:1 Mono is suspose to be the latest and greatest thing. I have yet to see many around but they are still new and are more costly than others out there. Mono's you can find used if you wanted to save some $$$ and like said above the price has dropped compared to other years for the mono.
The 2:1 DHS isnt bad at $3000 considering what comes with it. From what I have heard the 2:1 hasnt shipped out yet.
BTW I love my Fly. I just didnt like the Curnutt. Thats why I run an Avalanche. I just couldnt get use to the Curnutt. It was great for pedaling but it really sucked on the small bumps. It was also great for drops. Im going to try the Curnutt again this week and see how it compares to the Avalanche but I dont it will even come close.
BTW I love my Fly. I just didnt like the Curnutt. Thats why I run an Avalanche. I just couldnt get use to the Curnutt. It was great for pedaling but it really sucked on the small bumps. It was also great for drops. Im going to try the Curnutt again this week and see how it compares to the Avalanche but I dont it will even come close.
Saying the Foes Mono's are pure racebreed, and can't be used for freeride or hucking is just stupid. Wonder what those guys where doing with Mono's on the Red Bull Rampage then....
And the Curnutt is up there when it comes to tech. It IS the tech, and owns the patents that loads of other brands are paying to use both on motorcycles and mtb's.
Yes, you do sign up to buying some special parts from one specific vendor. BUT, it's not all the spareparts. For example, the MRP chainguideparts are not vendor specific - just the frame that holds them. So wheels, bearings and whatever can be bought from wherever.
The Foes fork is special, yup. And I agree it's not worth it. It has to be tuned exactly for each day - 'cause just temperaturechanges and different types of ridingconditions will change it's handling more than with a regulare fork.
Example from the previous Foes fork was when I hit a rock garden and leaned back on the bike. With to little pressure on the handlebars, the fork never moved - and just transfered the beating straight into my arms. This is ofcourse from lack of tuning, but it worked so well on everything else - so I never thought I had to tune it more.
And the Curnutt is up there when it comes to tech. It IS the tech, and owns the patents that loads of other brands are paying to use both on motorcycles and mtb's.
Yes, you do sign up to buying some special parts from one specific vendor. BUT, it's not all the spareparts. For example, the MRP chainguideparts are not vendor specific - just the frame that holds them. So wheels, bearings and whatever can be bought from wherever.
The Foes fork is special, yup. And I agree it's not worth it. It has to be tuned exactly for each day - 'cause just temperaturechanges and different types of ridingconditions will change it's handling more than with a regulare fork.
Example from the previous Foes fork was when I hit a rock garden and leaned back on the bike. With to little pressure on the handlebars, the fork never moved - and just transfered the beating straight into my arms. This is ofcourse from lack of tuning, but it worked so well on everything else - so I never thought I had to tune it more.
I figured I would hear plus and minus to all bikes but no one really addressed the issue as to the Foes in terms of the Intense M3. I will be riding this bike UP hill in order to enjoy the downhill. Currently I'm lugging a 36 pounder up hill and love it. Yeh people kick my butt uphill, but I aways catch 'em on the down. So I don't mind and wouldn't mind an extra ten pounds. I'm not taking a lift up where I ride...
My curiosity is how does the Foes compare to the M3. Would I be better off with an M3. The Foes "appeared" to look lighter the way it's set up in the photo which I like but the FORK looks like every jump I'd go over I'll be leaning back to balance the load. It looks REALLY serious BUT, it looks major heavy.
I'm thinking M3 or Foes DH mono/2:1 Mono, with a Manitou Intrinsic dual crown up front. I take it you can't put a different shock into a Foes so I'm stuck with the Curnette. That's not a good selling point to me but if it's a good shock I wouldn't mind.
My curiosity is, M3 or Foes? That's why I started the link to get input on the Foes as to if it is as nice as the M3 appears to be. I have yet to hear a complaint on the M3. Although I have received some very good input on the Foes, no one has really made a comparison as to whether one is better than the other for certain types of riding or reasons.
My curiosity is how does the Foes compare to the M3. Would I be better off with an M3. The Foes "appeared" to look lighter the way it's set up in the photo which I like but the FORK looks like every jump I'd go over I'll be leaning back to balance the load. It looks REALLY serious BUT, it looks major heavy.
I'm thinking M3 or Foes DH mono/2:1 Mono, with a Manitou Intrinsic dual crown up front. I take it you can't put a different shock into a Foes so I'm stuck with the Curnette. That's not a good selling point to me but if it's a good shock I wouldn't mind.
My curiosity is, M3 or Foes? That's why I started the link to get input on the Foes as to if it is as nice as the M3 appears to be. I have yet to hear a complaint on the M3. Although I have received some very good input on the Foes, no one has really made a comparison as to whether one is better than the other for certain types of riding or reasons.
Well the Foes 2:1 is in it's first year, same with Intense's M3. So take that for whatever it's worth. Both are built by decent companies but there's always going to be little touches that get fixed.Chunky Munkey said:
I don't think the Foes 2:1 is out yet, though it is probably close to release.
There's not much to compare. They are both racing framesets. One is a single pivot, the other is VPP. One uses a shock/spring combo that probably only Foes uses (dual Ti springs), while the M3 uses more conventional springs/shocks. One has 160mm rear and the other 150mm (or 135mm) dropout options. The Foes I think you must use their chainguide (well they sell a specific MRP) and the M3 you're pretty open to choices. Both are made in the U.S.A. Since one isn't out yet it's hard to compare anything but pictures and internet specs.
There's nothing wrong with either one. The Foes will cost a bit more than the Intense (seems like they have always). The Foes fram is somewhere up around $3385 (go.ride.com prices) retail and a M3 is around $2700 for the frame. It just depends on how much you want to spend at that point. They are some of the higher end frame's out there (price wise).
Number One rule to mountain bikes....don't listen to what people tell you on the internet.
Everyone is built differently and have different riding styles and abilities. So to recommed one bike over another is crazy.
I've ridden about 8 DH bikes and of those the M1 and the Foes Mono were the only ones that I've ridden wehre I felt instantly faster. But then again i'm 6'4" and 230lbs.
Ride as many bikes as possible and make your decision ONLY after you find that one bike...or else you'll be one of those guys that go through a different DH rig every season trying to find that one rig.
Everyone is built differently and have different riding styles and abilities. So to recommed one bike over another is crazy.
I've ridden about 8 DH bikes and of those the M1 and the Foes Mono were the only ones that I've ridden wehre I felt instantly faster. But then again i'm 6'4" and 230lbs.
Ride as many bikes as possible and make your decision ONLY after you find that one bike...or else you'll be one of those guys that go through a different DH rig every season trying to find that one rig.
Oh so true. Peoples opinions on DH bikes are generally a rather large waste of time.Dog Welder said:
You really do need to ride your choices. Why spend that sort of money on something you haven't ridden? Sounds crazy to me!
Romic will still make one for the mono for a $30. upcharge. Some guy on EBAY has fox rc's on occasion for cheap. Thats where I got My backup, which I think I'll have PUSHed,Spunger said:
are you sure?ViciousDHer said:
the newer monos (04 onwards) have an even longer shock. The newer ones mount straight into the swingarm, there are no tabs welded onto the swingarm like the older ones.
my spare RC would it my newer mono.
ive never ridden any bike that compares to my mono and ive had my fair share, it tracks so well and the back end is perfect.
cant wait to race my 2:1 at sugar mountain
cant wait to race my 2:1 at sugar mountain
Both bikes you've mentioned are mushey DH sleds that are so much in their element going down. Sure we all live for the down but it's not much fun if your exhausted from going up. I'd get yourself something more pactical like mentioned by someone earlier,VP-free,fly etc.
according to Go-ride, Romic will make one.Banga said:
This advice is the best thing you are gonna get out of this thread.Transcend said:
As a matter of fact, we should make this advice a sticky up top.
We can make a list of things to warn new DHers about.
Like when someone says: My new Boxxer Team feels great right out of the box!
Or: I have never ridden product A or B, but you should get A for sure.
Yeh I am getting the idea that maybe a Fly would be something more in what I will be using it for. If I could do a stiff kit on a fork, and get the rear shock to be stiff until it really needs to break lose and suck it up, that would be more my kind of ride. The M3 I think as well as the Mono might be too much bike to lug up hill all the time. But coming down would be so nice. I just more or less want longer travel up front and back. At least seven or more. Thanks for the input all.
you are wrongChunky Munkey said:
Curnett shocks are spec'd only on foes bikes, they are very very very good, especially the 2:1 Currnett shock. I'd wholeheartedly recomend the 2:1 for DH because of the extremely low leverage ratio. Smoooth
