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Anybody been keeping up with the real estate market?

N8 v2.0

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Oct 18, 2002
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I Are Baboon said:
Still, a "used" house that is comparable in size and features would most likely cost a lot less that if you built it new. At least, that's what I've gathered from my admittedly limited knowledge of real estate. Eh, what the hell do I know? :p
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That can be true.... sure...

Depends though. older homes don't have all the nifty goodies that a new house has... plus with a new house you don't have to do much maintenance on it for the first 5 years.... all the applicances are new and work...

However, you will have to do all the landscaping etc...
 

N8 v2.0

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stosh said:
I've built a couple houses before and I do have the know how/tools/ability.
However I work 40hrs a week. Don't really see how that could happen.

I'm not saying that you do the work silly.... just be the general contractor....
 

stosh

Darth Bailer
Jul 20, 2001
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I Are Baboon said:
Oh. Cool! I built a baseball bat and ball holder in woodshop in 8th grade.
I'm currently helping my friend build his house.

I love building!
 

N8 v2.0

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stosh said:
well I would like to do a lot of the work myself.

You'd better have a lot of time... remember that it takes 4-5 months to build a sub-2000 heated house... and that is a slab on grade.

Most construction loans are only good for 6 months max... remember time is money in this game... the $'s you save by doing it yourself might be more than spent in interest and in screw-ups...
 

stosh

Darth Bailer
Jul 20, 2001
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N8 said:
You'd better have a lot of time... remember that it takes 4-5 months to build a sub-2000 heated house... and that is a slab on grade.

Most construction loans are only good for 6 months max... remember time is money in this game... the $'s you save by doing it yourself might be more than spent in interest and in screw-ups...
I know all that. I wouldn't build a 2000sq ft house probably about 1200.

The best option for me is a modular home at this point if I want to build.
 
In this area the government(s) sponsors several free first-time-home-buyer classes. There are a bunch of different government loan programs that are only available to folks who take these classes. You may not even find out about these things unless you take the Classes. There are city, county, neighborhood, federal, etc. programs. I actually took two different classes run by two different groups and learned about different things in each class. I found them by Googling "first time home buyer seattle". These classes were absolutely time very well spent.

Go to at least a few different finance places; banks, credit unions, mortgage brokers, see what programs they know about and can offer. There are a lot of different types of mortgages, which one is best depends on your situation. Which one your broker wants to sell you depends on his cut.

I bought a place in December that I didn't think I could get into by getting a smart mortgage broker (and walking away from 5 or 6 other loan offers) and a similarly bright agent. Even though I currently earn (well ok, earn is rather a subjective term) too much to qualify for the loan I got, the broker knew to do a three year income average and that got the number down to where I qualified.

If you make too much as a couple, one of you may need to apply by youself to get the best rate or program. Which one of you has the best credit score? Just because you are married doesn't mean you have to both be on the mortgage papers, you can always quick-add the other person to the papers after the fact.

I ended up getting into a 185k place with $1500 out of pocket on a 30yr fixed @ 5%.

Just like when you're talking to car dealers, if the sales person is talking in circles, can't answer your questions, or you just don't like them, there is always at least 100 or more people out there waiting for a chance to make money off of your deal.

Do your homework, lots of homework. If I can buy real estate, just about anyone can.
 

stosh

Darth Bailer
Jul 20, 2001
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Psychic_Pimp said:
In this area the government(s) sponsors several free first-time-home-buyer classes. There are a bunch of different government loan programs that are only available to folks who take these classes. You may not even find out about these things unless you take the Classes. There are city, county, neighborhood, federal, etc. programs. I actually took two different classes run by two different groups and learned about different things in each class. I found them by Googling "first time home buyer seattle". These classes were absolutely time very well spent.

Go to at least a few different finance places; banks, credit unions, mortgage brokers, see what programs they know about and can offer. There are a lot of different types of mortgages, which one is best depends on your situation. Which one your broker wants to sell you depends on his cut.

I bought a place in December that I didn't think I could get into by getting a smart mortgage broker (and walking away from 5 or 6 other loan offers) and a similarly bright agent. Even though I currently earn (well ok, earn is rather a subjective term) too much to qualify for the loan I got, the broker knew to do a three year income average and that got the number down to where I qualified.

If you make too much as a couple, one of you may need to apply by youself to get the best rate or program. Which one of you has the best credit score? Just because you are married doesn't mean you have to both be on the mortgage papers, you can always quick-add the other person to the papers after the fact.

I ended up getting into a 185k place with $1500 out of pocket on a 30yr fixed @ 5%.

Just like when you're talking to car dealers, if the sales person is talking in circles, can't answer your questions, or you just don't like them, there is always at least 100 or more people out there waiting for a chance to make money off of your deal.

Do your homework, lots of homework. If I can buy real estate, just about anyone can.
that loan is exactly what I"m looking for!!!

Any suggestions on how to find a good loan officer?
 

SLAPSHOT

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Jun 9, 2003
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stosh said:
I can NOT believe the prices lately. There is a 850sq ft house down the road from my apt. going for $179,000.00 with no garage, no parking, and right up against a busy road.

I'm asking because are there any predictions of what is going to happen in the market?
All the financial institutes seem to indicate not only in housing but other markets are sitting at the edge of a precipice.
$179,000! My down payment was larger than that. I often wonder why I live here.
 
The first thing to do is find one of those free first time buyer classes. Before you even start talking to loan people, learn the language.

The best way to find mortgage brokers and real estate agents, in my opinion, is through referals. Ask family and friends who they deal with and about their experiences with them. The worst thing you can do is not talk to at least a few of each, loan people and agents, before going with one.

Have you checked your credit reports/scores yet?
 

stosh

Darth Bailer
Jul 20, 2001
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Psychic_Pimp said:
The first thing to do is find one of those free first time buyer classes. Before you even start talking to loan people, learn the language.

The best way to find mortgage brokers and real estate agents, in my opinion, is through referals. Ask family and friends who they deal with and about their experiences with them. The worst thing you can do is not talk to at least a few of each, loan people and agents, before going with one.

Have you checked your credit reports/scores yet?
no but they should be good(my cc scores) that is something I want to do though.
 

Silver

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Jul 20, 2002
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Don't buy a house right now, unless you're planning on staying long term. The gap between house prices and rents just keeps on getting bigger...
 
The free credit reports aren't available everywhere yet, you'll have to check what's available for your state. Where they are available thay can be a hassle to get and can take several days to get in your hands.

Both of the free classes I took offered a free credit report from all three bureaus with scores for taking the class. One of the things they teach in the class is how to interpret the report and some tips to fixing problems on them.

Also, the report, if available free, may not have the credit score, which is important to know where you stand and to get pre-qualified (not pre-approved) for loans, programs, etc.. You need to get all three credit bureaus; TransUnion, Experian, and I forget the third at the moment, and you need all three credit scores also.

I found it was quicker and easier to just pay the $45 and get all three with scores online and printed out right now. Also, the format of the report you pay for and download online can be easier to read and interpret than the free version.

Be careful who's website you go to as you will have to enter your SS number online. I have heard that freecreditreport.com, and other free sites are very likely to sell your info and email address to spammers, nothing is completely free. I went to transunion.com to get my reports with scores and had no problems.
 

stosh

Darth Bailer
Jul 20, 2001
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NY
Psychic_Pimp said:
The free credit reports aren't available everywhere yet, you'll have to check what's available for your state. Where they are available thay can be a hassle to get and can take several days to get in your hands.

Both of the free classes I took offered a free credit report from all three bureaus with scores for taking the class. One of the things they teach in the class is how to interpret the report and some tips to fixing problems on them.

Also, the report, if available free, may not have the credit score, which is important to know where you stand and to get pre-qualified (not pre-approved) for loans, programs, etc.. You need to get all three credit bureaus; TransUnion, Experian, and I forget the third at the moment, and you need all three credit scores also.

I found it was quicker and easier to just pay the $45 and get all three with scores online and printed out right now. Also, the format of the report you pay for and download online can be easier to read and interpret than the free version.

Be careful who's website you go to as you will have to enter your SS number online. I have heard that freecreditreport.com, and other free sites are very likely to sell your info and email address to spammers, nothing is completely free. I went to transunion.com to get my reports with scores and had no problems.
I googled for classes but I couldn't find anything locally.

If you think you can help I live by Middletown NY.
 

N8 v2.0

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stosh said:
I googled for classes but I couldn't find anything locally.

If you think you can help I live by Middletown NY.

Is that near Beaver Falls?


I was stationed in Adak with a d00d from there...


:p
 

stosh

Darth Bailer
Jul 20, 2001
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N8 said:
Is that near Beaver Falls?


I was stationed in Adak with a d00d from there...


:p
Beaver falls? WTF are you talking about?

Are you still drunk?
 

Repack

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Nov 29, 2001
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One thing to note about credit reports is that they may contain different information. I started a job a few months ago and found that my Trans Union and Experion reports were different. Luckily the $ wasn't that much and I was able to get it taken care of.
 

stosh

Darth Bailer
Jul 20, 2001
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Repack said:
One thing to note about credit reports is that they may contain different information. I started a job a few months ago and found that my Trans Union and Experion reports were different. Luckily the $ wasn't that much and I was able to get it taken care of.
Actually there is something on my credit report from 1977 one year before I was born. I need to get that cleaned up.

My dad and I have the same name so somehow it made it on to my credit.
 

Brian HCM#1

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Sep 7, 2001
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stosh said:
Actually there is something on my credit report from 1977 one year before I was born. I need to get that cleaned up.

My dad and I have the same name so somehow it made it on to my credit.
Does he also walk around with a monkey humping his ear?
 

narlus

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Nov 7, 2001
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Boston-Quincy, MA up 80.07% in the past 5 years.

i do often wonder how people in CA afford houses. a friend of mine moved to SF last year w/ his wife (she took a VP job @ yahoo). he's an engineer, and also landed a good job. they sold their house in mass, and have no kids, but were still put off by the housing costs. if *they* are balking at the prices how can joe six pack possibly survive out there?
 

Brian HCM#1

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Sep 7, 2001
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narlus said:
Boston-Quincy, MA up 80.07% in the past 5 years.

i do often wonder how people in CA afford houses. a friend of mine moved to SF last year w/ his wife (she took a VP job @ yahoo). he's an engineer, and also landed a good job. they sold their house in mass, and have no kids, but were still put off by the housing costs. if *they* are balking at the prices how can joe six pack possibly survive out there?
You just gotta jump in now and do it. Prices in the Bay Area continue to climb, however its a good investment here as they are almost guaranteed to make a nice profit.
 

narlus

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they just aren't enamored about plonking down 2-3x the cash for a house 2-3x times smaller. plus, i think they are looking to make a hit if the stock price goes up, and then beat a retreat back to the east coast.
 

Westy

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Nov 22, 2002
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Brian HCM#1 said:
You just gotta jump in now and do it. Prices in the Bay Area continue to climb, however its a good investment here as they are almost guaranteed to make a nice profit.
Even if you are guaranteed a profit there is still high risk. I have enough saved that if I lost my job I can easily pay my mortgage for 6 months. Things would be very different if my mortgage was 4X the size.
 

SkaredShtles

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narlus said:
they just aren't enamored about plonking down 2-3x the cash for a house 2-3x times smaller. plus, i think they are looking to make a hit if the stock price goes up, and then beat a retreat back to the east coast.
They'll just have to get used to the idea...... or live in an apt, make a bunch of bank, then flee CA like all the others. :p

-S.S.-
 

narlus

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SkaredShtles said:
They'll just have to get used to the idea...... or live in an apt, make a bunch of bank, then flee CA like all the others. :p

-S.S.-
i think they are banking plenty of cabbage now...i think yahoo paid for their apt for 6 months or maybe even a year...goddamn DINKs. :blah:
 

SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
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narlus said:
well, i'm sure our kids will pick out a nice nursing home for us when it comes time.
The little fokkers better not. I'm gonna tell 'em how much we sacrificed so that Mum could stay home with 'em - and make it perfectly clear that we expect to live with one of 'em when we become old and infirm...... :p

-S.S.-
 

Brian HCM#1

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Sep 7, 2001
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narlus said:
they just aren't enamored about plonking down 2-3x the cash for a house 2-3x times smaller. plus, i think they are looking to make a hit if the stock price goes up, and then beat a retreat back to the east coast.
You don't get a lot for your money, believe me, we're looking at spending up to 1.1 for a house, probably have to do an interest only loan for the first 3-5 years. We should get a good tax break though. It's absolutely ludicrous, and the house I end up buying will most likely be a POS in need of a lot of updating. But it's were we want to live and will have to pay the price.