[jrewing]

Hell yeah...yeah I am waiting for the new easy version since they cost me the same...may just grab one for the other bike and new version for big bike.

Did you notice any void when pedalling right away or maybe questionable pedal stroke where it feels damped?

Just wondering for use on Enduro setup.

On an enduro, yes youll notice it in the pedal stroke, If you like quick engagement. But track depending and with the ability to adjust externally, this could be minimised.
Im not running mine atm as i just built my new Fury frame up. Curious to see if my knees ache again after a big day of hitting rough tracks. With the Ochain this was reduced significantly.

 

[bullcrew]

On an enduro, yes youll notice it in the pedal stroke, If you like quick engagement. But track depending and with the ability to adjust externally, this could be minimised.
Im not running mine atm as i just built my new Fury frame up. Curious to see if my knees ache again after a big day of hitting rough tracks. With the Ochain this was reduced significantly.

Hadn't even thought of the input to joints, I get nerve issues left foot after riding hard....have issues on stairs going down once in a while but always after a aggressive day...

Be curious to see if some of that would be reduced as well....

So adjustable and drop it back to locked on new one or 4 and run it there...????

Short cranks have helped knees for sure ..I'm going back to shorter ones again..

 

[jrewing]

Yea running at minimal freeplay for climbing. Pinch tracks and the other way for rough descents would be ideal on Enduro. I had the earlier spec without that, set at 9? Degree id not like it for techy pinchy tracks.
I suspect your ankle will be better off at the end of the day.

 

[bullcrew]

Yea running at minimal freeplay for climbing. Pinch tracks and the other way for rough descents would be ideal on Enduro. I had the earlier spec without that, set at 9? Degree id not like it for techy pinchy tracks.
I suspect your ankle will be better off at the end of the day.

Well the east version will be here tomorrow I'll order another for the slash....since I only pedal if I have too..so swap it for the "C" (booooo) word and then wide open for the downhill..

Yeah If for no other reason I'm excited to see if it helps with ankle and nerves...if not I'm sure the bump could moliamce alone is worth it but the thought of helping pain has me kind of excited now.

 

[bullcrew]

Other one will be here this week

 

[bullcrew]

Slapped it on Capra to give it a shot set it at 9*..

 

[bullcrew]

Thoughts on it!
Even low engagement hubs it's a crap shoot where the next engagement is at and if it starts to walk it chunder type hits it will ratchet.

O-chain starts of zero regardless and has full degrees.

Can run a higher engagement hub and this will do it's job, but curious to how sloppy it would be with a 18pt and 12* setting

How long will the elastomers last before needing to be replaced and or start to get weak

Longer term effects of wet riding or heat on elastomers say Arizona

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

Another believer;

 

[jrewing]

Not his biggest fan, but he can steer a bike. His mechanic Painey is a top bloke, and he can steer too. Those trails are steep and chunky. GoPro numbs it but Jacks hauling. Im riding there next weekend actually.

 

[canadmos]

It would be interesting to see him sit down and do a video with his opinions on the different components he has tested recently.

Being on the YT team seems cool, as they can pick and choose what components to run (somewhat - he's obviously sponsored by Sram/rockshox).

But notice how he has removed the steering damper. Too much faffing for his liking or what? He seemed to like it somewhat on the previous vids.

He also made some good comments on the Maxxis vs Continental thing, but they were buried in a video somewhere.

Not his biggest fan, but he can steer a bike. His mechanic Painey is a top bloke, and he can steer too. Those trails are steep and chunky. GoPro numbs it but Jacks hauling. Im riding there next weekend actually.

Camera dude on the ebike is pretty great too. I forget where they were, but they rode this super steep sketch thing and buddy just sent it out of control

 

[Jm_]

Another believer;

Not going to watch it...but assuming he believes it's decoupling "kickback" rather than the rear derailleur clutch and chain slap...which is what it's really doing.

 

[bullcrew]

Not going to watch it...but assuming he believes it's decoupling "kickback" rather than the rear derailleur clutch and chain slap...which is what it's really doing.

It does take the tips out of chatter..got it on V10 now as well...it does detach the excess energy out of the chatter a fair bit...had it on Capra but took that one out it on slash and ordered one for Capra ..wanted to put it on slash dur to having a little more chain line adjustment...

Is it a end all, no does it make a difference yes..no placebo effect, hell I'll sell it and make a few bucks of I don't like it ..

I know lower engagement hubs works too, but if wheel ratchets in chunk it'll throw pedal Everytime it's close to next pawl this starts out at zero ...so there's a slight benefit..
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[Jm_]

It does take the tips out of chatter..got it on V10 now as well...it does detach the excess energy out of the chatter a fair bit...had it on Capra but took that one out it on slash and ordered one for Capra ..wanted to put it on slash dur to having a little more chain line adjustment...

Is it a end all, no does it make a difference yes..no placebo effect, hell I'll sell it and make a few bucks of I don't like it ..

I know lower engagement hubs works too, but if wheel ratchets in chunk it'll throw pedal Everytime it's close to next pawl this starts out at zero ...so there's a slight benefit..
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Oh yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't make a difference. Taking your chain off makes a huge difference...it's just not for the reasons that a lot of people think (kickback).

 

[Andeh]

If you're feeling some benefit on a high pivot bike, doesn't that pretty much confirm that what it's doing is mitigating clutch/derailleur tug, not actual pedal kickback? Since HP design has almost no PK, especially in descending gear range.

 

[slyfink]

Not going to watch it...but assuming he believes it's decoupling "kickback" rather than the rear derailleur clutch and chain slap...which is what it's really doing.

I watched it with heavy use of the fast forward function... but I don't think he actually comments on what it does or how it works. He just describes the effects: takes the edge off chatter, but is kinda wonky pedalling out of corners and in pumpy sections. He seems to want to keep it on. Maybe over the course of a full day's racing, the energy saved from "taking the edge off chatter" is worth it?

I have no desire to get one, so I have no horse in this race. But I'll admit I'm confused about them. On the one hand there's a few riders that I respect that seem to like them and run them (Neko, Ben, and Moir), and on the other hand, there's Steve who's shown it's a load of bollocks... or did he? To be honest, I don't care enough to go back and look... This is just a funny one for me, so I will carry on posting as I see fit, even if I have no value added.

 

[bullcrew]

If you're feeling some benefit on a high pivot bike, doesn't that pretty much confirm that what it's doing is mitigating clutch/derailleur tug, not actual pedal kickback? Since HP design has almost no PK, especially in descending gear range.

Normally yes, slash is mid high pivot and when I drop bike the pedal kicks back a smidge .so it's more of a trail and error on that one to see...I know they are running them on the new session high pivots (like one I had) other side of pond and liking it..

I think it's cause both aren't a real high pivot with massive rearward arch... A commencal is really backward as is Jedi and those actually are numb on rocks I love that feeling..

Grabbing speed while hammering through is awesome.

 

[bullcrew]

I don't think it's a massive answer for pedal movement, no chain would be...it has a little space between pedalling but not anymore than say a 18th pawl hub...
The slack out the corners is negated by more control in other areas including chattery berms...carry a little more speed uninterrupted and exit slightly faster then pedal.

There's 2 sides to it for sure, I can ride well without it...plenty fast and nasty...but I know what I don't like on a course and which bikes killed it on those areas..so if I can take a bike that does it well in other areas and increase it's ability to get me where I like them it's a win win ..but that's for me..

 

[Westy]

Say Ochain three times in a row and @kidwoo will appear with his paintball gun for bears.

 

[jrewing]

Have i missed something? Wheres he gone?

 

[DaveW]

Jail for all those things Westy framed him for?

 

[ChrisRobin]

@bullcrew.... I see the gold shaft on your TTX22 on the V10. You got the new 'factory racing' upgrade? What's that like?

Now I'm tempted to pull the ochain off the DH bike and try it on the Process X. It has a Hydra hub but the intention would be to just take the edge off the hard hits.

 

[bullcrew]

Think of energy like an EKG graph..the o-chain takes the spikes off and rolls em over so you don't get that last bit of harsh static type feel..LOVE IT.. also drops off those hard square edge smacks and feet don't go flying up..

.Yeah I like the hydraulic top out, on the driveway it feels similar to normal, little less top out..

On trail it to makes the top of the spikes and hits and smooths them out as well .I know I use the analogy but it's the best way to describe it..

It handles off camber better as jumping it feels like it kicks up less and levels a little easier...it's not a 1 and done but another small advancement on smoother riding that yes you can feel and yes it's going towards the smoother run with a little less chaos .

I have 2 65mm shafts on order from race program for the slash and Capra...tried it first and yeah for me it's worth the benefit...wish there was a hydraulic bottom out lol ..keep comp faster and rely on it more..I keep rebound fast to track the ground the top out helps keep it smooth and allows me to run it quicker.

 

[bullcrew]

Say Ochain three times in a row and @kidwo will appear with his paintball gun for bears.

I tried that, shit I posted pics of my 3 o-chains and he didn't come..my guess is it was overkill and he's conjuring the woo powers to do a massive woodoo response and curse..

 

[canadmos]

New video, just started watching, but it looks like he's going to use ochain and the steering damper on the race bike.

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

So I roasted the "internals" in about 4 months of use.

Not the elastomers, but these 4 plastic shims that control the radial play between the inner and outer pieces. It now moves up/down enough to screw with the chain guide functionality.

Rebuild kit is $40 and can't find stock in the US.
I'm going to just pack the crap of out it with some Maxima waterproof grease.

 

[Westy]

So I roasted the "internals" in about 4 months of use.

Not the elastomers, but these 4 plastic shims that control the radial play between the inner and outer pieces. It now moves up/down enough to screw with the chain guide functionality.

Rebuild kit is $40 and can't find stock in the US.
I'm going to just pack the crap of out it with some Maxima waterproof grease.

Here is an O-Chain upgrade. No play, lighter, more reliable, better power transfer.

 

[Jm_]

Here is an O-Chain upgrade. No play, lighter, more reliable, better power output.

But not oval.

 

[slimshady]

Here is an O-Chain upgrade. No play, lighter, more reliable, better power transfer.

Hey, you can now combine your upgrade with an o-chainy hub!

@bullcrew should combine them all and give us a report on how spongy the drivetrain feels.

 

[Jm_]

Hey, you can now combine your upgrade with an o-chainy hub!

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@bullcrew should combine them all and give us a report on how spongy the drivetrain feels.

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[bullcrew]

Hey, you can now combine your upgrade with an o-chainy hub!

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@bullcrew should combine them all and give us a report on how spongy the drivetrain feels.

Next level is no wheels gonna hover and run on will power..

 

[slimshady]

Next level is no wheels gonna hover and run on will power..

Still greener than an ebike...

 

[bullcrew]

Still greener than an ebike...

Wife just got a Tesla for commuting..I don't like it at all...(Besides to abuse it) Drives nice and is fun to punch and try to get it to break sideways and slide..

I'll stick with my trucks and looking for a fj60 diesel...and hover bike when we make one...

Really wish Toyotas hydrogen project would catch on...hell use it to produce electric as well..

 

[sethimus]

TairinWheels on Instagram: "how responsive is the Shogun's #silenthub engagement mechanism? set at 5.5 degrees of slack, the coupling and decoupling is always there in an instant as fast as the 5.5 degree cam-plate rotation! . . . #patented #globally #canadian #bigbearings #quality #assembledhere #handbuiltwheels #wheelsets #engineered #proprietarydesign #performance #wheels #boost #premiumalloy #tubeless #tubelesswheels #tairinwheels #enduro #mtb #enduromtb #yvr #604 #hub #wheelbuilding #bike #bikelife #vancouverbc"

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[Jm_]

TairinWheels on Instagram: "how responsive is the Shogun's #silenthub engagement mechanism? set at 5.5 degrees of slack, the coupling and decoupling is always there in an instant as fast as the 5.5 degree cam-plate rotation! . . . #patented #globally #canadian #bigbearings #quality #assembledhere #handbuiltwheels #wheelsets #engineered #proprietarydesign #performance #wheels #boost #premiumalloy #tubeless #tubelesswheels #tairinwheels #enduro #mtb #enduromtb #yvr #604 #hub #wheelbuilding #bike #bikelife #vancouverbc"

589 likes, 8 comments - tairinwheels on May 30, 2024: "how responsive is the Shogun's #silenthub engagement mechanism? set at 5.5 degrees of slack, the coupling and decoupling is always there in an instant as fast as the 5.5 degree cam-plate rotation! . . . #patented #globally #canadian...

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[sethimus]

this explains EVERYTHING what is wrong with american cars these days

simple childhood trauma

 

[Flo33]

Woohoo, that channel is a treasure trove!

 

[Jm_]

Woohoo, that channel is a treasure trove!

I remembered the song instantly.

 

[ChrisRobin]

Ohhhh man... at first I couldn't remember what that was but I soon as those claws came out of the tires, I thought "Yep! I remember now... amazing!"

 

[bullcrew]

Stompers we're still cooler and boil stacks for them to climb...

And yeah O-chain is the shit...it does work and it definitely allows pedals to not kick back

 

[ChrisRobin]

I think I'm going to just get the N version. I don't see myself messing with the adjustment dial on the R version...ever.

I currently have the original O-chain on the DH bike that came with all the different degree spacers/elastomers. I'll move that one to the trail bike and convert it to 6 degrees. I'll order the N version which comes with 9 degree pre-set and I'll throw that onto the DH bike and leave it as-is.

I hope this plan is kidwoo-approved.