[Jm_]

It gets better - it had a 5th Element shock on it.

My old foes had a pretty low pivot, it was no dhs or 90s thing…but it DID have a curnut shock and at speed in chunky terrain that bike felt like it was constantly trying to snap in half and was about the worst high speed damping ive ever encountered.

Trying to pedal uphill on any loose surface on an old school high pivot would make them break loose easy IME. Side to side flex was bad enough on those old high pivots like Orange and SC.

 

[Jm_]

Talking of fantastic downhill bikes of the past... A dad turned up the other day asking if I could resurrect this for his 10yr old to ride around Edinburgh on and I had to tell him realistically how much it would cost and that even then it'd be a terrible choice of bike for a kid to ride around city streets on.
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He ended up leaving it out for the bin men. Edinburgh's pretty much bike theft capital and no one's taken it yet.

Idk, that down tube looks big enough to be an e bike. Maybe paint a motor on there.

 

[kidwoo]

aw man.....dont waste that thing

Its at least a good shop ornament

 

[trib]

How much do new tubes and a seat and post cost these days?

 

[vivisectxi]

oh shit; rescue that poor thing! make a sweet wall hanger, if nothing else.

 

[Gary]

There's nothing sweet about it

 

[Gary]

How much do new tubes and a seat and post cost these days?

'bout £70 give or take... Which is what the dude paid for it on Gumtree. I understand how you might think it's savable from the pic but the 40 is completely seized solid and manitou revox shock fucked. Brakes and Drivetrain incl (ISIS) BB also fucked. Bearings/bushings also need replaced.
It's an 18yr old old ex rental from Alpine in Inners. It's had a good life.
RIP

 

[kidwoo]

There's nothing sweet about it

I'm betting there's a 16 year old kid somewhere that would disagree

get some tubes and a seatpost you slacker

 

[Westy]

I'd give it to a homeless guy and pay him to huck shit. Just because you don't have a house doesn't mean you can't be rad.

 

[Gary]

I'm betting there's a 16 year old kid somewhere that would disagree

Guessiung you either don't know any 16 yr old kids or they're an entirely different thing where you're from.

 

[Gary]

get some tubes and a seatpost you slacker

That was an option for sure...
But then what? just tell him his kid will have to just deal with the 10" of undamped rear travel, zero front, unusable brakes and terrible drivetrain etc. etc.?

 

[Gary]

If it's still there on Monday one of you dipshits can have it for international shipping costs

 

[Westy]

That was an option for sure...
But then what? just tell him his kid will have to just deal with the 10" of undamped rear travel, zero front, unusable brakes and terrible drivetrain etc. etc.?

Not all 16 year olds are entitled twats with dialed bikes and season passes at bike parks.

 

[kidwoo]

Guessiung you either don't know any 16 yr old kids or they're an entirely different thing where you're from.

Yeah, kids who would dig jumping off rocks and are not all rich entitled brats.
(edit: sniped!)

It's almost like you could benefit from knowing someone who knows how to work on bikes.


Oh well!

 

[Gary]

Not all 16 year olds are entitled twats with dialed bikes and season passes at bike parks.

Exactly my point you thick cunts.

 

[Gary]

Says quite a lot that you think Scottish inner city kids from poor backgrounds even know where or what a "bike park" actually is

 

[Gary]

I spent a decent amount of time explaining to the dad he'd be able to buy a brand new bike far more suitable for his 10yr old to ride around on for a fraction of what it'd cost him to get this thing safe to ride. Nevermind back to a good standard.
I'm a parent you muppet

 

[kidwoo]

Exactly my point you thick cunts.

meet better kids

Says quite a lot that you think Scottish inner city kids from poor backgrounds even know where or what a "bike park" actually is

you're about 200 years old so you know damn well knowledge of bike parks has nothing to do with riding a mountain bike.





You're bouncing back and forth between "all poor scottish kids" which is exactly who we're all saying would be ecstatic to get one of those, and "all kids I would give this to wouldn't appreciate it"

You're just making shit up on the fly to be a contrarian. Quit being so lazy. Find a kid who would appreciate it.

 

[Gary]

meet better kids

If you don't already have a T-shirt with that slogan on you should definitely consider getting one.

 

[Gary]

who we're all saying would be ecstatic to get one of those, and "all kids I would give this to wouldn't appreciate it"

As I've been saying. You clearly have no clue at all as to what 16yr old Scottish kids are into. But We'll obviously have to leave that point here as it's fallen on deaf ears and ignorance.

Kid or not. Who the fuck is going to appreciate the gift of a corroded pile of junk in the vague shape of a bicycle which would require many hours of work and many hunderds of pounds spent on it just to be safe to ride? Never mind "HUX OFF ROX"
FFS!

Or let me spell it out to you:
You wouldn't get that thing safely rideable for the cost of an O-chain. But you COULD buy a decent enough perfectly safe to ride brand new hardtail for LESS than the cost of an O-chain.
Perspective mate.

Ps. in the time it's been sat next to the bin moar than 500 kids will have already walked past it.

 

[kidwoo]

As I've been saying. You clearly have no clue at all as to what 16yr old Scottish kids are into. But We'll obviously have to leave that point here as it's fallen on deaf ears and ignorance.

Kid or not. Who the fuck is going to appreciate the gift of a corroded pile of junk in the vague shape of a bicycle which would require many hours of work and many hunderds of pounds spent on it just to be safe to ride? Never mind "HUX OFF ROX"
FFS!

Or let me spell it out to you:
You wouldn't get that thing safely rideable for the cost of an O-chain. But you COULD buy a decent enough perfectly safe to ride brand new hardtail for LESS than the cost of an O-chain.
Perspective mate.

oh thanks

As someone who's never met kids or worked on bikes, this deep deep perspective is incredibly valuable, and something I could have never grasped otherwise.




god you're fucking lazy

 

[Gary]

god you're fucking lazy

Oh... hold on. Sorry. WTF was I thinking? I'll just ride 20 miles back to the City to see if it's still there. Hopefully it will be and I can carry all 50lb of it home on my back where I can then spend 4 months grocery budget on replacement parts to repair it so I can feel like the bicycle fairy by donating it to someone elses kid while mine starved.

 

[kidwoo]

feed your kid, slack ass

you have to feed them


You're going to write a novel of excuses before you do something relatively simple. Impressive really

 

[Gary]

It's still yours for shipping Tinker Bell

 

[kidwoo]

It's still yours for shipping Tinker Bell

box it up and get me a price

reno, nv is a shipping hub so use US postal code 89595

 

[Gary]

If it's there Monday

 

[sethimus]

get a room

 

[Gary]

The one next to yours with the hole drilled through the wall?

 

[kidwoo]

The one next to yours with the hole drilled through the wall?

you guys can share an ebike charger

 

[jrewing]

It gets better - it had a 5th Element shock on it.

5th elements had so much seal stiction from the stupid plastic oring main seal. If you changed to normal rubber seal it was such an improvement. Wasnt that years ago!

 

[englertracing]

Not all 16 year olds are entitled twats with dialed bikes and season passes at bike parks.

I thought most of them are just into whatever the new tik tok thing is? And dgaf about bikes.

 

[kidwoo]

5th elements had so much seal stiction from the stupid plastic oring main seal. If you changed to normal rubber seal it was such an improvement. Wasnt that years ago!

Is that what that was? I never owned one but they definitely had a 'hold and release' feel to movement. I always thought it was the shitty 'pedaling platform' threshold

 

[toodles]

Is that what that was? I never owned one but they definitely had a 'hold and release' feel to movement. I always thought it was the shitty 'pedaling platform' threshold

yeah same, I always thought they were supposed to feel like that? Every change of direction it felt like the shock paused for three seconds. I once rode a Foes with some massive (literally a 4" shaft travel) Curnett shock that felt the same. Horrible bloody things.

 

[kidwoo]

I once rode a Foes with some massive (literally a 4" shaft travel) Curnett shock that felt the same.

 

[ChrisRobin]

If you had to pick between these two to make your suspension better, which would it be?

1) 5th Element shock
2) O-chain

In all seriousness and like others have said, suspension setup is probably the first step before you start buying add-ons like the ochain. On this particular bike, I've tried 4 different shocks (just because). I found my latest, which is the Ohlins TTX22, has been the best in terms of keeping the bike stable through rough stuff, whereas with some of the other shocks I was bouncing all over. An ochain device would have done nothing for me during those times, whereas now if I get one, it'll be a marginal improvement. We'll see....

 

[kidwoo]

If you had to pick between these two to make your suspension better, which would it be?

1) 5th Element shock
2) O-chain

3) hardtail

Pedal kickback is real... believe in the science.

.....while ignoring one huge component of the system

My anti-rise starts at about 120% but the big majority of the time it's between 100% and 80%.

LOL

sucker

You're going to make your actual pedaling that matters feel squishy and wasted compressing those elastomers. You know that right?

 

[Andeh]

Once you start pedaling, those elastomers get compressed and stay compressed until you stop applying tension. So you're not squishing them every pedal stroke. In that regard, it's like having a freehub with 8-12 degrees of engagement.

 

[englertracing]

Once you start pedaling, those elastomers get compressed and stay compressed until you stop applying tension. So you're not squishing them every pedal stroke. In that regard, it's like having a freehub with 8-12 degrees of engagement.

I'd imagine they don't stay squished through TDC and BDC

 

[englertracing]

Would be rad If there was a way to electronically or mechanically disengage the hub or spider.
Or whenever not pedaling.

 

[kidwoo]

Once you start pedaling, those elastomers get compressed and stay compressed until you stop applying tension.

sure they do

If there's one thing I know about stand up pedaling is that there's a completely uniform and consistent force applied

You know what has an even lighter resistance to chain forces than those elastomers? You deraileur hanger spring