Yeah, when I ran it I added LSC because the rear felt "squishier". I didn't think to try adding a spring rate.
Anyone use an Ochain thingy?
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TLDR: Am I accompishing the same thing by riding bikes with only low to moderate chain growth, a 36t ratchet ring, and descending in the 3rd smallest cog?
Beware of giving out that sort of advise around here. Some creepy little wanker is likely to pop in to make a snide judgement on other unconnected shit you may or may not do in your free time.
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Well I'll go as far to say @buckoW is legit...and Woo, you and I are in the grumpy club..we are going to get rocking chairs and shoot kids with pellet guns from our deck who get on our lawns...
Hell I'll even take pot shots at wife when she comes home from work...(will sleep with one eye open too)..if it gets too boring you and i can sit at each end of deck and shoot at each other...
Gives us better vantage and kids trying to run as well
Hell I'll even take pot shots at wife when she comes home from work...(will sleep with one eye open too)..if it gets too boring you and i can sit at each end of deck and shoot at each other...
Gives us better vantage and kids trying to run as well
You’re welcome! Thanks for sharing your experiences too.
And to everybody else. @kidwoo and I have met in person and ridden together once. We respect each other. All good. Agree to disagree…
Was messing around with my shock and an idea popped into my head for a method to test if I too suffer from pedal kick back and a possible solution.
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I just slam brakes in rocks and if that shit jacks then I need an o-chain thing...or a floating brake...
yes
and without fresh crops of guillible young people who dont know things, the bike industry wouldnt exist
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Old single pivot XC bike is the only thig that would fit on the trainer without a lot more work than I was willing to do.
Worst case scenario in granny gear. Let out a bunch of air in the shock so I could move it as fast as possible. Static text shows it is capable of pedal kickback by significant crank motion. Then got the rear rolling , SLOWLY, no perceptible crank motion. I can repeat this a bunch of times with the same results.
Worst case scenario in granny gear. Let out a bunch of air in the shock so I could move it as fast as possible. Static text shows it is capable of pedal kickback by significant crank motion. Then got the rear rolling , SLOWLY, no perceptible crank motion. I can repeat this a bunch of times with the same results.
take your shock off, hold the swingarm with one hand, hold the front pedal with the other
spin the wheel up and make a bump
edit: lol, seconds too late
see breakdown above
Good enough for me. The O-Chain doesn't really fit into my minimalist, weight weenie style. While my DHX2 is being rebuilt there's an X2 on my Gambler so it's down to 31.5lbs with a Cushy Core.
Thanks. I'm always torn on which cog feels like it makes descending the smoothest.
4th from smallest keeps a nice amount of chain tension and holds the chain farther from the chain and seat stays, so less chain noise and least chance of skipping/derailment (I'd never descend in a larger cog because it's too low a gear and I assumed too much chain tug). I use this when speeds aren't too high and I might need to power out of a turn. Because the chain is so secure & quiet and the gear is low enough that I won't bog if I slow down, this is might be my favorite descending cog on the trail bikes, but I'm thinking to minimize kickback I should be going a cog higher whenever speeds allow.
3rd from the smallest is a nice gear when speeds come up, but you still have some torque. There's still enough chain tension that I don't get skipping and the chain isn't too close to the frame, but it's definitely noiser than the next bigger cog. I probably use this most on the DH bike.
2nd from smallest I use when I need to pedal on a very fast section, but getting onto the power over rough stuff I'm not surprised if it skips a moment. (I think the chain easily hops partway onto the neighboring cog while coasting.) There's a lot of chain slap noise.
Smallest cog I only use for roads. Too tall to make any torque, chain very close to the chainstay, very little chain tension and so few teeth engaged I'd expect it to skip over bumps.
My trail bikes are 29" Sram 11spd 34x10-42. DH bike is 29" Sram 7spd 36x10-25. (I wish these cassettes ended in 11, rather than 10t.)
What's your favorite descending cog?
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That'd be easily fixed by swapping Freehub to HG and fitting shimano (11spd) cassettes. (I'm led to believe SRAM XD DH is 11spd spacing)
34x15 and 36x15 is generally my preferred gearing on technical twisty descents only changing up when required for motorway style sections and jumps.
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I too think 4th or 3rd gear is best for descending. Most trails here don't have the length or straight sections to really warrant needing to going to the smallest cog.
When I have run in the smallest two cogs on chunky trails, I find there the chain slap is annoying as well. Plus sometimes I catch the chain trying to come off the front chainring at the bottom.
I've descended some slower technical trails in the lower gears on my Banshee Titan and haven't noticed any chain tug.......I did notice when the derailleur smacked a rock in a corner, though. Thats enough reason there to try and go up a gear.
I used to do 4th smallest but moved to 3rd smallest last year trying to minimize PK/chain growth. Like you said, most of the trails I ride don't need any pedaling downhill, and those that do, 2nd & 1st smallest are too stiff. So I'm running 32x14 I think.
Fwiw, my old Remedy and my Spartan definitely have kickback. Is it cause they're split pivot or something? Though the worst by far is my hardtail.
Gary,just to ask about the frame. Was that the Trek that Andrew Shandrow had a lot of input on? What is the name of the Frame,I forgot? That frame is Very Heavy if memory serves me. I remember Andrew riding it in videos,most being in BC. I remember Gary.
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Fuck kidwoo buckoW. You done said you were sorry more than enough. No Monkeys want to stop that nasty exchange? buckoW one of the coolest cats on this site. The man who is on the scene? Builds,or helps build WC tracks and has hands on to the Bikes and Riders? You Monkeys would rather see how it plays out,rather than step up and say somthing.
Talkin all the shit to me woo,reading what you say, I try to be positive no matter. You are anngry Brother,like you said to Avy,go get help.
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Yep i went up a rate. 25lb
To the critics…. Cough Kidwoo… mate ( im Aussie ), it works. Clutch no clutch dont know didnt test. I like my sram dh derailleur but i know i like my Ochain. I can absolutely tell it works. Also Fatigue levels in ankles and knees are better.
I also use Stfu rubber guides as well.
Also Kidwoo eat a Snickers bud. I dont post often but ive hung around since the IronHorse tuning thread was a Pup. But it does turn me off the sourness displayed in hear…. And im a salty bugger!
BuckoW i appreciate your posts. Keep them coming please.
And if you bothered to read what some of us have been saying about this, you'd know that whether or not there's even anything to work against depends entirely on the bike design.
And hey, my bad, I thought after 20 years of posting leverage curves, antisquat curves, discussions of gearing and how chainline angles affect these things people knew to look at that shit before buying a bike. Because for the nth time, well designed bikes don't need this stuff.
Good so you remember some of the nonsense weagle would babble when someone would bring up a very valid criticism of something he'd claimed. He'd do essentially what buckow did that annoys me so much. "well we have a fast guy racing world cups therefore nothing you say matters". That's the most basic brained chickenshit response anyone could ever give. It's a little window into how people who sell bike shit think this whole community works: get a fast person on your new little gadget and nothing else matters. Yes that annoys the hell out of me.
And if you're going to talk about data then do it. I was actually curious about some of that data acquisition info regarding clutch vs non-clutch derailleurs. I genuinely would like to hear even a summary statement about that data. Because adding drag to the derailleur spring is the one factor that brings resistance to chain wrap back into the fold on even a well designed bike. Same with braking and the fact that no one seems to even address this specifically speaks volumes.
Now I'm not even sure they even collected it. They just want you to think they collected it, like some mysterious lab full of genius that no one else can understand. It's bragging with nothing behind it other than "we have a fast person"
Buckow is a fast person as well. So are some of the rest of us. And we're the ones being sold something, so at the end of the day, what mr/ms world cup thinks of it doesn't matter. We are the market. Buckow and I are fine, like he said. But he also just gets way more excited about new shit than I do.
You should also notice that the other person downplaying this system is a practicing paid mechanical engineer. And not one in the half assed bike industry.
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Are you trying to tell me that these cool anti-vibration stickers that the Commencal team ran were not working?
well that's a dh bike on dh world cups so obviously it doesAre you trying to tell me that these cool anti-vibration stickers that the Commencal team ran were not working?
edit: holy shit they're still around
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