[RenegadeRick]

Now they are starting to kill each other.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/29/ny.officer.killed/index.htm

Ok, maybe that isn't how it went down, but after hearing about the officer on EMT violence that happened out in Oklahoma, I am starting to wonder if this police state we are rushing toward isn't starting to get a little out of control.

 

[kidwoo]

this police state we are rushing toward

do yourself (and me) a favor



Google "the sixties"

 

[Silver]

Linky no worky.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/29/ny.officer.killed/index.html

Another link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/05/29/2009-05-29_police_review_tapes_.html

"This is always a black cop's fear, that he'd be mistaken for a [suspect]," a source said.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/05/29/2009-05-29_police_review_tapes_.html#ixzz0GvWvZG5B&B

Oddly enough, if that source is correct, black officers worry about what happens when they get mistaken for suspects. Hmm...

Sharpton beaking off too...this is going to get worse before it gets better.

2 little kids. Damn.

 

[MikeD]

Every UC and off-duty cop involved in an incident is worried about being mistaken for a suspect, regardless of his race. Running through the streets of NYC with a drawn gun and no uniform or highly visible badge, especially without having notified dispatch, is a risky proposition for anyone. Not saying the officer who died was incorrect--I don't know--but that it is risky. Probably not a risk worth taking to catch a guy who was rifling through your car.

Cops train on shoot/no shoot targets which present various characters of varying menace who can have police badges, innocuous objects, or weapons pasted into their hands. Unfortunately life isn't so easy. No way of knowing yet whether the shoot was reasonable or not.

Rick, you're so totally right. We live in a police state that's only gotten worse since the days when police were permitted to shoot fleeing non-violent suspects in the back (gardner v tennessee IIRC) or plant bugs and wiretaps wherever they liked (katz v US IIRC).

You really need to learn more about real history than surfing the Net all day for your latest "police-state" outrage to fret about. Maybe also read something other than your tattered copies of 1984 and Animal Farm while your YouTube buffers, because Orwell needs to be read in context as well.

 

[MMike]

You're one of them aren't you???

Every UC and off-duty cop involved in an incident is worried about being mistaken for a suspect, regardless of his race. Running through the streets of NYC with a drawn gun and no uniform or highly visible badge, especially without having notified dispatch, is a risky proposition for anyone. Not saying the officer who died was incorrect--I don't know--but that it is risky. Probably not a risk worth taking to catch a guy who was rifling through your car.

Cops train on shoot/no shoot targets which present various characters of varying menace who can have police badges, innocuous objects, or weapons pasted into their hands. Unfortunately life isn't so easy. No way of knowing yet whether the shoot was reasonable or not.

Rick, you're so totally right. We live in a police state that's only gotten worse since the days when police were permitted to shoot fleeing non-violent suspects in the back (gardner v tennessee IIRC) or plant bugs and wiretaps wherever they liked (katz v US IIRC).

You really need to learn more about real history than surfing the Net all day for your latest "police-state" outrage to fret about. Maybe also read something other than your tattered copies of 1984 and Animal Farm while your YouTube buffers, because Orwell needs to be read in context as well.

 

[Westy]

I tried to do some internet research to help Rick out. Here is what I came up with.

Q: How can I treat paranoia?
A: Lay off the drugs.

 

[Silver]

Every UC and off-duty cop involved in an incident is worried about being mistaken for a suspect, regardless of his race.

Yeah, but if you haven't noticed white people in NYC don't end up with 40 bullet holes just for sitting on the front porch...

 

[sanjuro]

For me, commenting about NY cops is like almost discussing a personal matter.

Brutality stories are easy to discuss because no one is dead.

So yeah, being flip about a cop shooting another cop is not cool.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Yeah, but if you haven't noticed white people in NYC don't end up with 40 bullet holes just for sitting on the front porch...

And Rick is still bat-sh*t f*cking insane....what's yer point, cracka?

 

[boxxerace]

Why did the officer shoot a guy not aiming or firing his firearm at the officers to begin with. How do they know what the situation is or who is in the right.

Yes, draw your weapon and order both of them to stop. Simple as that. If they don't comply, then decide if deadly force is necessary.

nonetheless, I dont think we know the whole story here.

 

[Serial Midget]

I've read that some cops get off on killing the unborn children of small breasted women. Not sure where... google it.

 

[RenegadeRick]

Brutality stories are easy to discuss because no one is dead.

In some ways, I wonder if this is true. Personally, I don't find either situation easy.
Don't we put injured animals out of their misery? But injured people just gotta suffer through.

Feel free to make this about me if that is what works for ya. I'm cool with that.

Yes, it gets old and tiresome to keep posting about tarnished badges, I wish there weren't so much material.

I am sort of surprised nobody commented on the EMT thing linked in the post. Cops pulling over an ambulance for failure to yield and then threatening to arrest the EMTs? Anyone think there is a problem with that?

oh... I guess not. It isn't as if they choked 'em to death.

 

[MikeD]

The EMT story is about as ****ed as you can get. No one's tried to defend that jackass...

I was going to start a thread on it but saw it'd already been linked.

No one's said there are no bad cops, abusive cops, or mistaken cops. Just that we don't live in the tyranny of your persecution-complex fantasies.