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kazlx

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I seriously can't wear their ear buds for longer than about 3 seconds without them falling out.

On a side note...now have wireless headphones and won't go back.
 

syadasti

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Hopefully they'll stop stealing from the communities, employees, and countries that made their success possible. That would be way more innovative/life changing than boring incremental evolutionary change year after year. The EU is doing the right thing, hopefully the US follows and all the multinationals will stop being welfare queens:
http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/robert-reich-make-tax-cheating-apple-pay-up/
 
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syadasti

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They're as likely to pay taxes as your beloved amazon.
Hence I said "all the multinationals":clue:

And if you were paying attention you would know that was one of Apple's only real innovations. Amazon didn't pioneer these corporate welfare techniques, Apple did:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/business/apples-tax-strategy-aims-at-low-tax-states-and-nations.html

Apple, for instance, was among the first tech companies to designate overseas salespeople in high-tax countries in a manner that allowed them to sell on behalf of low-tax subsidiaries on other continents, sidestepping income taxes, according to former executives. Apple was a pioneer of an accounting technique known as the “Double Irish With a Dutch Sandwich,” which reduces taxes by routing profits through Irish subsidiaries and the Netherlands and then to the Caribbean. Today, that tactic is used by hundreds of other corporations — some of which directly imitated Apple’s methods, say accountants at those companies.

Without such tactics, Apple’s federal tax bill in the United States most likely would have been $2.4 billion higher last year, according to a recent study by a former Treasury Department economist, Martin A. Sullivan. As it stands, the company paid cash taxes of $3.3 billion around the world on its reported profits of $34.2 billion last year, a tax rate of 9.8 percent. (Apple does not disclose what portion of those payments was in the United States, or what portion is assigned to previous or future years.)

By comparison, Wal-Mart last year paid worldwide cash taxes of $5.9 billion on its booked profits of $24.4 billion, a tax rate of 24 percent, which is about average for non-tech companies.

Apple’s domestic tax bill has piqued particular curiosity among corporate tax experts because although the company is based in the United States, its profits — on paper, at least — are largely foreign. While Apple contracts out much of the manufacturing and assembly of its products to other companies overseas, the majority of Apple’s executives, product designers, marketers, employees, research and development, and retail stores are in the United States. Tax experts say it is therefore reasonable to expect that most of Apple’s profits would be American as well. The nation’s tax code is based on the concept that a company “earns” income where value is created, rather than where products are sold.

However, Apple’s accountants have found legal ways to allocate about 70 percent of its profits overseas, where tax rates are often much lower, according to corporate filings.
 
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syadasti

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An elegant solution just like this ultra portable joke, saves space until it doesn't:

 

ALEXIS_DH

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Hence I said "all the multinationals":clue:

And if you were paying attention you would know that was one of Apple's only real innovations. Amazon didn't pioneer these corporate welfare techniques, Apple did:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/business/apples-tax-strategy-aims-at-low-tax-states-and-nations.html
However, Apple’s accountants have found legal ways to allocate about 70 percent of its profits overseas, where tax rates are often much lower, according to corporate filings.
i wouldnt point fingers at apple.
if whay they have done is legal, its all kosher to me... its really not apple´s fault, but I´d seriously point fingers at lawmakers.
 

syadasti

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i wouldnt point fingers at apple.
if whay they have done is legal, its all kosher to me... its really not apple´s fault, but I´d seriously point fingers at lawmakers.
By comparison, Wal-Mart last year paid worldwide cash taxes of $5.9 billion on its booked profits of $24.4 billion, a tax rate of 24 percent, which is about average for non-tech companies.
So why does Dave love Apple and not Amazon then - he seems to think first mover in raping communities puts them in the clear?

I don't own any hardware from Apple or Amazon and I even rarely ever shop at a more responsible but hated companies than Apple like Walmart. Dave can't say the same. He had a decade to make the responsible choice, so why does he expect others won't do the same as he has?

 
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syadasti

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Keep your eyes on the prize there's no merit in worshipping corporations and their commodity products.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/opinion/elizabeth-warren-what-apple-teaches-us-about-taxes.html

First, Congress should increase the share of government revenue generated from taxes on big corporations — permanently. In the 1950s, corporations contributed about $3 out of every $10 in federal revenue. Today they contribute $1 out of every $10, despite their reliance on federal investments to start and expand their businesses. The National Science Foundation helped fund some of the initial work of Google’s founders. Apple’s consumer products still rely on technology that originated in federally funded research. To usher in the next generation of prosperous American companies — and to make the investments we need to sustain broad-based economic growth — the current generation of corporate winners must step up and pay its fair share.

Second, Congress should encourage investment in jobs here in the United States. Giant corporations are pushing corporate tax reform proposals that offer a lower permanent tax rate for earnings generated abroad than earnings generated at home. That is nuts. Preferential tax treatment, either through special rates or deferred due dates, creates a huge financial incentive for American companies to build businesses and create jobs abroad rather than in the United States. Our tax code should favor jobs and businesses at home — period.

Third, Congress should level the playing field for small businesses. Small companies in Massachusetts don’t stash profits in the Netherlands. They can’t hire a team of accountants to set up a “reverse hybrid mismatch” to slash their taxes. This puts small businesses at a competitive disadvantage as they end up shouldering more of the burden of paying for education, infrastructure, research, the military and everything else our nation relies on to succeed.
 
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kazlx

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Which ones do you have? Been kinda looking around cause they would be awesome for work but im a bit worried about battery life on them...
I actually have the Beats wireless. Never thought I'd own a pair, but traded some work for them. Never been a fan of in ear headphones, so these are nice. The batteries last a while, can tap the side of them to pause music and/or answer incoming phone calls and being over ear blocks out noise. Not something I would probably have gone out and bought because of the overhype factor and cost, but I have to admit, they are nifty.
 

jimmydean

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Own 2 iphones, an ipad and a macbook pro.
Very happy with all off them, couldnt care any less what anyone else thinks or uses.
And yet you came in here to profess your love of them. I think you could actually care less by not posting what you claim to care so little about.

:rofl:
 

kazlx

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Just waiting for my 7+ to show up. To each their own. So ridiculous that people want to seemingly start a holy war over Apple and Android. But I guess that's the point of the internet now, to just argue aimlessly with strangers.

Personally, have owned both and have no interest in ever owning an Android device again, but doesn't matter to me what anyone else wants to use.
 

IH8Rice

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Own 2 iphones, an ipad and a macbook pro.
Very happy with all off them, couldnt care any less what anyone else thinks or uses.
You saying you couldn't care less I'm sure makes their blood boil. Every new apple product release brings out the morons touting how their widget is best widget...or how their business practices are deplorable. It's usually always good a laugh at their expense.
 

Jeremy R

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I don't really get it either. I have a Nexus 6p, an Apple Ipad pro, and a work laptop running windows 10. All three work great for their intended purpose. But the main point for me is just how little of a damn I give what devices YOU use.
 

jimmydean

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But does it burn?




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I will say the Samsung "edge" devices are the worst form factor ever. Due to the edges of the "edge" device, your buttons are tiny and there is no natural way to hold it. Also, the keyboard in portrait wraps on the edges making it a pain in the ass to text.

As a QA engineer on mobile application products, I get my hands on all (and I do mean ALL) new devices for testing. When you play with 100 different phones all day for a few weeks, the good ones really stand out (I'm talking about all things Nexus, Google doesn't f@ck around).

Apple makes great hardware, but not a fan of iOS (and if you have tried to do development for iOS, it is even worse).
 
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syadasti

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You saying you couldn't care less I'm sure makes their blood boil. Every new apple product release brings out the morons touting how their widget is best widget...or how their business practices are deplorable. It's usually always good a laugh at their expense.
As long as the mindless masses have the latest, China can get away with whatever it wants - shark finning, slave labor, tiger penises, cultural genocide. It's all good in the iHousehold.

http://tchrd.org/china-issues-demolition-order-on-worlds-largest-religious-town-in-tibet/
 

dan-o

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As long as the mindless masses have the latest, China can get away with whatever it wants - shark finning, slave labor, tiger penises, cultural genocide. It's all good in the iHousehold.
None of those things are new developments in China, certainly not within apple's existence.
iDon't see your point.
 

syadasti

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None of those things are new developments in China, certainly not within apple's existence.
iDon't see your point.
They're in their position today because of trade like the billions they get from Apple's products.

Meanwhile, China tells the world that Tibet is a happy place, a Socialist paradise, and most of the world says nothing, because China has become too powerful to challenge. Morality is indeed a branch of geography.

Money talks so in Britain we have the conservative Daily Telegraphdistributing free as a supplement a propaganda sheet for the Chinese communist party called China Watch, the last edition of which told us that Tibetan monasteries were having a “makeover”. With a ball and chain, presumably. And of course any criticism of China in the paper is so muted as to be almost inaudible.

China has concluded that it can simply ignore the norms of international behaviour, and its muscle and money will allow it to get away with it. Unfortunately, to date, they have been proved right.

The free world needs to come together, before it is too late, and reassert its belief in, and commitment to, those freedoms we have fought so hard and so long to achieve: freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, and freedom from arbitrary arrest, freedom from torture, freedom from state deaths.

If China is going to behave like a pariah, it needs to be treated like one. We can start by standing up for Tibet.

Norman Baker is president of the Tibet Society, and was MP for Lewes from 1997-2015
 

IH8Rice

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They're in their position today because of trade like the billions they get from Apple's products.
horseshit. china has been doing their bullshit long before Apple starting pumping money into the country. apple's products account for a fraction of the money coming into and out of the country and China's hatred for Tibet extends juuuuust a bit before apple was even conceived as a company.
 

syadasti

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horseshit. china has been doing their bullshit long before Apple starting pumping money into the country. apple's products account for a fraction of the money coming into and out of the country and China's hatred for Tibet extends juuuuust a bit before apple was even conceived as a company.
The president of the Tibet society says doing nothing is horseshit, he actually knows what he's talking about.

"China has concluded that it can simply ignore the norms of international behaviour, and its muscle and money will allow it to get away with it. Unfortunately, to date, they have been proved right."

Keep buying and supporting companies that do the wrong thing with taxes and slave labor and things will never change. Mindless consumers are the other half of the problem.
 
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