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Apple's (Doomed) Tablet - Old man yells at icloud

syadasti

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I think the 9.10 remix has a better power management scheme. Especially if you turn the always on fan to auto. I get a solid hour or so of heavy usage with the stock battery. A guy here has the EEEPC with the HUGE battery and he goes about 4 hours.

<edit> An hour is more than I ever got out of my Powerbook or my Thinkpad, so I'm happy with that.
That's VERY short for a netbook. AMD's X2 is a powerhog compared to an Atom and this new psuedo netbook (AMD does not have a true Atom-like low power CPU yet), gets 4 hours in Windows 7 with the standard battery 3 cell battery:

http://www.testfreaks.com/blog/review/review-of-msi-wind12-u230-netbook/
 

jimmydean

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That's VERY short for a netbook. AMD's X2 is a powerhog compared to an Atom and this new psuedo netbook (AMD does not have a true Atom-like low power CPU yet), gets 4 hours in Windows 7 with the standard battery 3 cell battery:

http://www.testfreaks.com/blog/review/review-of-msi-wind12-u230-netbook/
Well, I am also running 4 desktops and actually USING my system. If I sit and just watch a movie or was just surfing, I'm sure I could get at least 2 hours out of it. I also run my screen at full bright because I don't like to squint.

I have read a lot of claims of 4+ hours, but I don't know of anyone who gets that kind of run time on anything. I almost got the MSI when I bought mine, but I got a wicked deal on it.
 

binary visions

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<edit> An hour is more than I ever got out of my Powerbook or my Thinkpad, so I'm happy with that.
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What the ...?

Dude, I have a Thinkpad x61 (core2duo processor, not even a low power atom) that I can get 2.5+ hours of heavy usage out of, or 5 hours of normal browsing-type tasks out of. 2 hours is eeking out maximum battery life for surfing tasks??

Something is wrong. If I run multiple stress tests simultaneously, I still get more than an hour and that's more load than any normal processing generates.
 

jimmydean

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What the ...?

Dude, I have a Thinkpad x61 (core2duo processor, not even a low power atom) that I can get 2.5+ hours of heavy usage out of, or 5 hours of normal browsing-type tasks out of. 2 hours is eeking out maximum battery life for surfing tasks??

Something is wrong. If I run multiple stress tests simultaneously, I still get more than an hour and that's more load than any normal processing generates.
I guess I don't surf porn for that long, so I have never really tried. I'll let it run dead tonight and let you know what kind of runtime I get.

<edit> Quick google shows the Aspire One runs about 3 hours stock, about 2 hours with Ubuntu. When I have mine on the moto, I'm not doing much for more than a few minutes at a time, so having a tone of battery life was not a requirement. Durability was my focus and I've dropped this thing a ton.
 
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syadasti

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<edit> Quick google shows the Aspire One runs about 3 hours stock, about 2 hours with Ubuntu. When I have mine on the moto, I'm not doing much for more than a few minutes at a time, so having a tone of battery life was not a requirement. Durability was my focus and I've dropped this thing a ton.
So anyhow, like I said, Ubuntu still has noticeably inferior battery life even in the netbook edition. The new generation atom systems with 6 cell batteries can easily do 7+ hours of DVD quality DiVX file playback in Windows 7 which is pretty demanding and that is without any add-on hardware like Ion or the crystal HD chipset (which would probably actually lower the battery life/system efficiency).
 

jimmydean

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So anyhow, like I said, Ubuntu still has noticeably inferior battery life even in the netbook edition. The new generation atom systems with 6 cell batteries can easily do 7+ hours of DVD quality DiVX file playback in Windows 7 which is pretty demanding and that is without any add-on hardware like Ion or the crystal HD chipset (which would probably actually lower the battery life/system efficiency).
I haven't done much with Windows 7 yet, but I will be getting some VM test environments running it in the next month or so, should be interesting.

But again, my requirements for the netbook were small, light, and durable. The Aspire One gives me all 3 and it was cheap from New Egg when I got it over a year ago. I would rather have a great OS with so so battery life than an inferior OS that runs for days unplugged.
 

syadasti

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I haven't done much with Windows 7 yet, but I will be getting some VM test environments running it in the next month or so, should be interesting.
You won't get the same battery life if you run a Windows 7 VM in Ubuntu :rolleyes:

Its a more productive OS, its not inferior if you have more software and hardware with better drivers and more support and other tools at your disposal. Ubuntu has crappy drivers, until they fix that it won't ever be superior to Windows or OSX.
 
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jimmydean

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You won't get the same battery life if you run a Windows 7 VM in Ubuntu :rolleyes:
I won't be running it on battery or in Ubuntu for my test environments. We are a Micro$oft shop, so I will be using VM servers and creating Windows 7 instances for development. I was simply pointing out the I will finally get some exposure to Windows 7 since I have yet to do more than see pictures of it.

<edit> Until Windows learns how to run a proper terminal, it will forever be inferior for what I need. I mean really, what OS doesn't recognize keyboard shortcuts in a terminal window? Right click to paste = FAIL.
 
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mandown

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8606727.stm
Some owners of the newly-available iPad have reported problems with connecting their devices to wi-fi.

Hundreds have complained about weak signals on the tablet computer.

Apple acknowledged on its support page that "under certain conditions, iPad may not automatically rejoin a known wi-fi network".

It offered a fix, but suggested that it was a router issue, despite some users saying that other devices worked fine on the same wi-fi connection.

Typical comments on the Apple support page included Dr JB who wrote: "Wi-fi reception seems weak with slow downloads."

prb44t replied: "I'm having the same issues. Weak signal on the iPad, same spot iPhone works great. Very frustrating."

But others reported that they had no problems.

Some speculated that the problem might be related to the position of the wi-fi antenna on the device, while others said it could be a software bug.

Apple said that the problem could be caused by dual-band routers and suggested users created a separate network name for each band.

But this will not solve the problem for everyone, pointed out Adam Leach, principle analyst at research firm Ovum.

"If you are using public wi-fi, then you are not going to be able to make changes to router settings," he said.

If the bug proves to be software-related, it will be easily solved, but if it turns out to be a problem for the device, it could be more of a headache for Apple.
 

jimmydean

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Yup, still sucks. Now with $50 apps that can't be run simultaneously.

<edit> I got 2:45 out of my netbook from full charge to dead. The warning came on at about 2:20, I didn't expect it to go as long as it did. Still way longer than I've ever needed.
 

jimmydean

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i dont know that they are scrambling. I seem to recall them being stated as taking a "wait and see" approach to their tablet compared to the apple tablet.
Their marketing department "leaked" some details and I don't think it's entirely ready for prime time. But if they don't release it now while people are spending money on pointless gadgets, they might miss the buzz entirely.

Once enough people realize what a turd the iPad is, the rest won't be so quick to jump on the bandwagon.
 

jonKranked

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Their marketing department "leaked" some details and I don't think it's entirely ready for prime time. But if they don't release it now while people are spending money on pointless gadgets, they might miss the buzz entirely.

Once enough people realize what a turd the iPad is, the rest won't be so quick to jump on the bandwagon.
the only people buying the ipad right now are early adopters (major technophiles). Early adopters only make up a fraction of the people that will purchase over the life cycle of a given product. There are gonna be a bunch more (and arguably better) options by end of year.

Tablets are definitely gonna be big, but it will take time.
 

jimmydean

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I see some application for a tablet, but without a way to protect the screen, it wouldn't be something I would ever use. There is a local repair shop in town the fixes cell phones and they said the 2 most common fixes are busted iPhone screens followed by Blackberry rollerballs.
 

bdamschen

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We're considering using them at my work, but not really for their intended purpose. We have touch panels that control all our AV in certain rooms and the crestron touch panels we use are about $5,000.00 a pop. Ridiculous, I know. Turns out crestron makes software that will run on the iPad that does the same thing. Even with a docking station and other accessories, I'm saving around $4,200 a touch panel.

We're about to go live with a new building that would have 33 new touch panels in it... at least. Replace with iPad and viola! I save nearly $140k. Thanks apple!
 

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We're considering using them at my work, but not really for their intended purpose. We have touch panels that control all our AV in certain rooms and the crestron touch panels we use are about $5,000.00 a pop. Ridiculous, I know. Turns out crestron makes software that will run on the iPad that does the same thing. Even with a docking station and other accessories, I'm saving around $4,200 a touch panel.

We're about to go live with a new building that would have 33 new touch panels in it... at least. Replace with iPad and viola! I save nearly $140k. Thanks apple!
couldnt you set up a 10.4" xenarc panel and a full blown pc for less than that? not bashing, whatever works I guess.
 

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I thought Kindle buyers were ghay. But around 3 million of them will sell just this year. Now, this ipad IS a better Kindle. Which means it will outsell the Kindle, and be the hottest item even MONTHS from now when Christmas comes. Like it or not.
 

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the Kindle is kind of a one sided product. its a ebook reader. the Ipad is a ebook reader, internet browser and sort of a mini computer.
 

syadasti

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the Kindle is kind of a one sided product. its a ebook reader. the Ipad is a ebook reader, internet browser and sort of a mini computer.
Its secondary eBook device at best without an eReader mode screen (e-ink/Pixel Qi/etc). It would be like saying a laptop or netbook is a primary eBook competitor just because they offer an application to read the formats...a backlit TFT LCD is not acceptable for heavy reading. iPad v2 will likely have an acceptable screen - Apple's MO to get suckers for all they can instead of doing it right the first time around.
 

syadasti

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I thought Kindle buyers were ghay. But around 3 million of them will sell just this year. Now, this ipad IS a better Kindle. Which means it will outsell the Kindle, and be the hottest item even MONTHS from now when Christmas comes. Like it or not.
Netbooks will easily outsell eReaders this year and they aren't overhyped and started with a single model/single player for over a year (Asus' first EEE PC model). Jobs was wrong, netbook are better and their market grew faster than any PC product his company has ever made. The first few years of the netbook market grew faster than the iPod which is their greatest success. Netbooks growth is leveling off this year but they'll still easily beat this new segment (IDC is projecting 47 million netbooks sold for 2010, 2009 was 33 million).
 
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Ciaran

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...a backlit TFT LCD is not acceptable for heavy reading.
QFT

I thought the e-book readers like the kindle and the sony were kind of a waste since it couldn't do much and I though how much difference could the screen make. Well it makes a HUGE difference. After playing with the Sony I realized that for someone who reads a ton (like my wife) the e-book reader is where it's at.
 

syadasti

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I thought the e-book readers like the kindle and the sony were kind of a waste since it couldn't do much and I though how much difference could the screen make. Well it makes a HUGE difference. After playing with the Sony I realized that for someone who reads a ton (like my wife) the e-book reader is where it's at.
Notion Ink's Adam Tablet (Tegra 2) will have a multi-mode Pixel Qi LCD and MEMS displays should come later this year:

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=221900654

Apple's v2 iPad will almost certainly have one of these new displays and should have had one from the start - Apple likely planned it that way to sell more units/make more ewaste.
 
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