read the paper today and it mentioned a Newsweek poll, which found that 42% of americans believe that there was a direct link between saddam hussein and the 9/11 attacks.
are americans really that ignorant?
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hell yes we are. if it doesn't directly effect us, we don't care. most get their news/information from one source and don't question it. questioning it would mean having to think. it's much easier to just ignore or go along with any information that is presented about matters that don't directly effect us. by directly effect us I'm talking about the A-hole that cuts you off in the morning on the way to work, or the fact that the store is out of double glazed donuts.
That's cuz there is a direct link.
Unless... you happen to believe in the Easter Bunny and Sammy Claws.
Unless... you happen to believe in the Easter Bunny and Sammy Claws.
I know several people who are well informed, well educated and usually reasonable individuals. They tell me that they just have a feeling and know their must be a connection, WTF?narlus said:read the paper today and it mentioned a Newsweek poll, which found that 42% of americans believe that there was a direct link between saddam hussein and the 9/11 attacks.
Yep, most Iraqis and the Hijackers shared a darker than your average soccer mom skin color. Kill them all.N8 said:
So many people in this country dont pay any attention, yet their vote still counts 
Its all a misunderstanding anyways so who f'n caresLordOpie said:
not necesarily ignorance.
i think, when people are enraged, they see any minor detail as tautological proof. so they get a feeling of justice or that they are getting even at least.
i think, when people are enraged, they see any minor detail as tautological proof. so they get a feeling of justice or that they are getting even at least.
nate, can you actually say that w/ a straight face?N8 said:
You mean Sodama bin Laden, the evil dictator who started the civil war?
Be more realistic, dare him to do something within his capabilites. See if you can get N8 to search, cut and paste some crap from a right wing website.Ciaran said:
more than 80 or 90% of Americans also believe in an "unprovable" god. Proof has little to do with belief in the world. When you hippies gunna get it?
"Oh Kent, statistics can be used to prove anything- 52% of all people know that." -Homer Simpson
BurlySurly said:
is not really good for the sake of your position in this argument to compare believing in god and use it to backup why US-ers believe in the iraq-osama link.
that is an self-score.
proof has little to do with belief, buts a lot to do with reality.
Hasn't the Bush administration itself denied ever making a direct link between 9/11 and Hussein? It only established that Al-Queada members had met with members of Hussein's government.N8 said:
Do you know something the President doesn't? (this is a real question, not a glib attempt to start a fight...)
<D
I think that people in general are really that ignorant. We certainly do not have the market cornered on that trait and I assure you that 42% of Britons could be polled who believe that Jack the Ripper was a member of the royal family. Everybody loves a good Oliver Stone/Michael Moore-style conspiracy.narlus said:read the paper today and it mentioned a Newsweek poll, which found that 42% of americans believe that there was a direct link between saddam hussein and the 9/11 attacks.
my point is, though, can you think of any other nation on this planet where that poll would have similar numbers?
brainwashing via the media does work, i suppose.
brainwashing via the media does work, i suppose.
No, because WE were the ones whose towers got knocked down and whose civilians got buried in the mess. It doesn't make us more ignorant; just more primed for a fight. We had more reason to kick a little azz than you guys did over those puny little useless rocks known as the Falklands.narlus said:
Brainwashing via the media does work, but we are no more susceptible to it than you. Europe is just more homogenized into popular liberal thought. At least we still have debate here. Over there, most everyone seems to have received the same EU script as to what REALLY happened so who now is really the more brainwashed?
hey ll, i got news for you. i'm an american, living (again) in america. 
So if the media is brainwashing everyone, how do you know about what is happening "over there"? Who is it that has led you to believe that the EU has done more 'brainwashing' than the the US?llkoolkeg said:
Kind of hard to prove your point if your source is the same media that you claim is brainwashing us...
narlus said:hey ll, i got news for you. i'm an american, living (again) in america.
You should have put a
face on your post. It would be in keeping with your stance.Me and my damn idealism again. It's my own fault for thinking that people can think for themselves and make intelligent decisions. I should already know that people are sheep and always do what's best for themselves without regard for their fellow human being. Damn my naivete!Westy said:
let me guess, yr one of those "my country, right or wrong" dip****s, huh?N8 said:You should have put a
I know, but you have been corrupted by too much exposure to the Guardian. You will now have to reapply for citizenship or else just hang out in the airport terminal like Tom Hanks...at least until Nov. 3.narlus said:hey ll, i got news for you. i'm an american, living (again) in america.
MikeD said:
I believe in Sammy Claws...
Unsubstantiated beliefs or unproven theories should not set national agendas whether as a means for dictating policies or inspiring public support of them.BurlySurly said:
they were all out of copies of _grit_. and the manchester union-leader too.llkoolkeg said:
actually, i really enjoyed reading the guardian. esp the saturday edition. i liked the word and math puzzles in the magazine.
Actually, I visit Europe whenever I get sick of things here. I've been more times than I can count but always end up coming home to good ol' U S of A no matter how much fun I've had with the local lasses and grasses. I have a nasty habit of hanging out in quaint pubs until very late and getting into debates with whoever is across the foosball table, so I have had more than ample opportunity to gather data first hand.Slugman said:
To follow your thought, though, every supposedly accurate poll I've ever seen shows us here as being very divided in opinion over the war while the rest of the world seems fairly unified in considering us naught but greedy media lemmings thirsty for blood & oil shooters. Has your experience been different?
Look how many Bush supporters there are.narlus said:
ink:Funny, because GW doesn't...N8 said:
(from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3118262.stm )
Bush rejects Saddam 9/11 link
Bush maintains Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda are connected
US President George Bush has said there is no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 11 September attacks.
The comments - among his most explicit so far on the issue - come after a recent opinion poll found that nearly 70% of Americans believed the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks.
Mr Bush did however repeat his belief that the former Iraqi president had ties to al-Qaeda - the group widely regarded as responsible for the attacks on New York and Washington.
You know, with the latest posts, it has occurred to me that there's been no answer to this. And I guess I need to amend my thoughts above...I now AM trying to instigate a fight, I suppose. My incredulity wore off a while ago.
