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are iPhones *really* worth it, or is there a droid/google alternative that's better?

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  1. $tinkle

    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    my requirements:
    - intuitive
    - relevant for at least 2 yrs
    - plan must be economical (none of this $80/mo b.s. for a dial tone & a few dozen texts)
    - camera function easy to access w/ high quality snaps/vids
    - iPhone size (so it can fit in my front pocket on a ride w/o annoying hip flexor)

    nice to haves:
    - remain w/ att
    - no more than a minor tweak to existing contract

    doesn't matter
    - 4g
    - brand name
     

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  2. syadasti

    syadasti i heart mac

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  3. binary visions

    binary visions The voice of reason

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    Android seems to have migrated away from iPhone-sized devices. There are a few good ones - the HTC Incredible 4G is excellent, but it's on Verizon. I just took a look at AT&T's phones and all of their good Android phones are of the large-screened variety.

    I don't carry my phone in my pocket when riding or really doing anything athletic, so I really like my Samsung Galaxy Nexus. It's significantly larger than the iPhone, though, so if that's your size cut-off... Aside from the Incredible, I really can't think of too many.
     
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    syadasti i heart mac

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    Also iPhone 4S is slated to be succeeded this Fall. Apple intentionally obsoletes their hardware even if there is no reason the hardware can't handle new features - for example DARPA's SIRI technology was a third party application before Apple bought the spin-off developing it and it runs (even in the Apple version via unofficial workaround) on hardware as old as the 3GS.
     
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    Jeremy R <b>x</b>

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    IMO, your two best options have already been mentioned. If you are going to get a 2 year contract, then get the Samsung SIII. If I was buying a phone straight up I would get the Galaxy Nexus straight from Google for $350. The newer phones have nicer hardware specs, but with the Nexus, you get the newest software updates directly from Google for years to come. Getting the updates from the carriers takes so long I am pretty sure God had to sign off on it first.
     
  6. syadasti

    syadasti i heart mac

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    You can buy the Galaxy SIII from an ATT store for $550 w/o a contract if you decided to try Straight Talk and wanted another option besides the Nexus (obviously the ATT One X or the smaller Tmobile One S is another option).
     
  7. syadasti

    syadasti i heart mac

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    Microsoft really ****ed that up and it was a decent effort. No way in hell should he buy one now.

    iOS 6 will be supported on the iPhone 3GS but not Siri (no Siri for iPhone 4 either). Artificial feature upgrade barrier FTW! The 3GS is 3 years old.
     
  8. $tinkle

    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    oops forgot to add:

    would really like to get a phone that has a widely available harness for recording rides (chest strap seems most sensible mount). didn't someone post a ride recorded w/ their iPhone in the lounge...? i think i'll feel very silly having a gopro on my helmet, looking like one of those mst3k characters
     
  10. syadasti

    syadasti i heart mac

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    Unless your smartphone isn't very important you, most people prefer using a $150-300 dedicated and optimized device that only serves that purpose to strapping a $350-600+ smartphone to the bike and hoping they don't damage it. If you break the camera its no big deal and you don't have to rush to buy a replacement for the numerous uses you'd probably have a smartphone for...

    BTW Squaretrade is a good third-party warranty service and if you sign-up for their newsletter you can get coupons for 25-30% off a warranty.
     
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  11. $tinkle

    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    while that is a valid consideration, i'd like also to have it for recording everyday life-in-general. additionally, the ease with which i can share it will directly correlate to its usefulness for me. i don't normally ride spines in utah, but when i do, i then wake myself up.

    i have some decent video of pirate trails i shot w/ a video camera years ago that is still on tape.
    probably degraded by now, too.
     
  12. syadasti

    syadasti i heart mac

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    Smartphones are for general use video though. They have small lens w/o the wide angle suitable for riding videos and lack the various special application mounts needed to achieve good results from vibration etc... It just makes more sense to go dedicated if its for a special use like that.

    If you are going to stop and pull it out and film from standing position its fine.
     
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  13. Jeremy R

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    Yeah, unless you like videos filmed by muhammed ali, I would not use a smart phone to record a mtb ride.
    That is almost as bad of an idea as buying a current windows phone. Almost. Ha, they are trying to give those turds away for $49 though.
     
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    H8R Cranky Pants

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    I have the Galaxy SII on T-mobile and I love it. Big, reliable and fast. I bought the D3O case for it and it's perfect. Many drops and general rough handling, no issues.

    The camera is quite good.
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    The T-mobile "4G" speed is sometimes better than most wifi connections.

    Bonus, and this RULED while I was away in Europe last month, is the T-mobile wifi calling feature. Basically it's like Skype, but it goes over T-mobile servers and is more reliable and better quality. It counts against your normal calling minutes but you can call California from Poland just like you were making a local call, no roaming. Oh and the wifi calling also lets you text normally as if you were back home as well.

    I have yet to find an app for iPhone that does not have a counterpart on this droid, except for some obscure ones that most people don't give a fvck about anyway.
     
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    H8R Cranky Pants

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    Oh and for trail vids, you can get a GoPro (or similar clones) fully loaded for less than $200 these days and you won't have to jerry-rig it and still get half-ass results like a phone.
     
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    Is incredible 4g the same processor as my incredible s - single core ? Because if yes do not upgrade to new sense since it lags the crap out of the phone. I think I will go Cyanogen.


    As for Iphone vs other phones - Iphone has better/more apps (yes still) and a very good camera. Less soft upgrades but also less stupid upgrades like my incredible s.
     
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    Again making false assumptions. The phone he mentioned is almost as good the One series and shares similar features. The camera in the 4G is on par with the 4S but isn't as good as the One series with the new ImageSense processor.

    As H8R mentions there is not a significant difference in useful applications. Developers aren't going to ignore the largest smartphone OS user base on the market by a significant margin. BV owned an iPhone and he works in IT, he isn't just making it up.

    http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/06/droid-incredible-4g-lte-review/
     
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  18. dante

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    The only two of those that I have are poor battery performance and lack of updates... Of course, with a larger screen and 4g LTE connectivity it's going to use more power regardless than a 3g 3.5" iPhone.

    My main complaint about the iPhone (aside from the fact that it's overpriced, *and* that Apple seems to want to sue it's competitors into oblivion as opposed to developing superior products) is that new products are few and far between, and a few months after the new iPHone whatever is released it's already outdated. The 4S in particular was outdated practically even before it was released, and the hardware has certainly been eclipsed by many other Android phones by now even though there isn't a replacement due for another couple months. Buying an outdated iPhone near the end of it's life-cycle would just be idiotic, in my opinion.

    By the way, anyone want to bet that: the next iPhone will have a bigger screen than 3.5" *and* that all the Apple fans will suddenly switch their tune about small form-factor being better and start fawning over the benefits of a larger screen? Kinda like how Flash was the source of all evil on the internet, at least until Apple caved and started offering Flash compatibility on it's iPhone/iPad?
     
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    binary visions The voice of reason

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    Fire back? syadasti is saying that you shouldn't get a Windows Phone right now. Nothing bad about Windows Phone, just that this isn't the time to buy one.

    I'd agree - WP8 will be out in not too long, and NONE of the existing phones are going to get upgraded, plus WP8 is going to break a lot of app compatibility. I don't see why you'd buy a Windows Phone right now.

    WP8 might be a great platform in a year. I will be watching it closely.

    I started to piecemeal reply to this, but got through several of your points before I realized that it was futile. You're completely incorrect on most of the points, only partially accurate on a couple, and a couple are addressed with the current iterations of the OS, which would come on any current phone.
     
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    norbar Turbo Monkey

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    Are you still angry I didn't agree with you on apple stuff ? I'm not making false assumptions I'm asking if it's the same phone as my incredible s WHICH I OWN. I was asking If it is the same as Incredible S, Looking at your arcticle it isn't. Maybe instead of googling review articles you should read other peoples posts more carefully.


    Also a very good camera on the 4S is not equal to me saying all hail apple, everything else is work. Instead of looking at reviews I actually used it and it produced quality photos. It amazes me how you can be butthurt over a polite discussion and me just not agreeing with you to the point you can't read my posts clearly.



    As for apps - Almost every new app comes first on iPhone and I still can't find many apps on Android that exist on iPhone. Again MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. It bugged me, it may bug someone else. I'm not using apple or a fan of the company so please stop the hate.
     
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  22. syadasti

    syadasti i heart mac

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    You made a false assumption and offered useless advice instead of taking two seconds to google why BV made his recommendation. You don't see any clueless fools talking about the iPhone 3GS as if its the same thing as the iPhone 4S, do you?

    And specifically you said:

    The mainstream apps are on par with each other and for power users android is far better coming from professional users in this thread who have used the iPhone and other phones. The 4S camera is clearly no longer the best.
     
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    norbar Turbo Monkey

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    What is a false assumption? iPhone has more apps. Doesn't it? I don't care about your hand selected group it doesn't apply to. It applies to me and it bugged me not having some apps. Your BFF group is not 99% of the smartphone market. Get over it. Though I'm seeing a strange pattern here - you can't find a use for someone so no one else can because your needs = everyone else needs?


    Also a very good camera doesn't mean the best. So which assumption is really false? I spoke from experience. I liked the 4S camera which I tried and it was a pleasant experience. God I'm glad you don't post too much in the DH forum though to make you happy I can agree with you - I'm have special needs that no one else on earth has and for every other person droid is better.
     
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  24. $tinkle

    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    a buddy just called telling me there's 1 last slot for friday's monarch DH shuttle, so after that i just pulled the trigger:

    " HD Helmet HERO Camera Kit with 16GB Class 10 Memory Card $199.00
    Sold by : Buydig
    "


    yeah, have to agree if i ever got an iPhone, it would have to be 2nd hand, or heavily subsidized.
    once again, the cruel mistress that is the free market has rebuffed my desires
     
  25. $tinkle

    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    <--- "do it, faggot"
     
  26. syadasti

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    Unsubsidized is cheaper in the long run regardless of platform (note this does not include the Straight Talk option which is even cheaper than Sprint's Virgin Mobile option). Virgin's unlimited option is only $50/month on auto-pay and Straight Talk unlimited is $45 month to month or $41.25/month if you prepay for a year of service - cheaper than the subsidized carriers with their minmum plans:

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/257210/virgin_mobile_iphone_4s_vs_carrier_deals_comparison_chart.html

     
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    dante Unabomber

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    Those amounts are a bit outdated since Verizon announced their "we're going to bend you over and you're going to like it" Shared Data plans... *Minimum* cost for Verizon for voice and data is $90 for 1GB, $110 for 4GB. Plus taxes and fees.

    When my contract is up I'm bidding adieu to Verizon/AT&T, especially since Verizon won't subsidize any more smartphones unless I give up my current unlimited data contract that I only pay $70/month for.


    (And Verizon's "best network coverage anywhere actually SUCKS at my house. AT&T's was far better.)
     
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    Is 24 hours a day, access all areas $tinkcam too much to expect?
     
  29. binary visions

    binary visions The voice of reason

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    Yep, I burned my last upgrade right before Verizon switched to the new plans, so that I could lock myself into my current plan.

    My girlfriend and I don't use many voice minutes and I subscribe to the lowest ($5) texting tier. Consequently, the "benefit" of upgrading to the new plan - unlimited talk and text - is useless to me, but is going to cause the plan to be 30-40% more expensive.

    What a crock.
     
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    Transcend My Nuts Are Flat

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    Ah Verizon. What happened to "where your problem is our problem".
     
  31. syadasti

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    Hopefully they don't ruin FIOS too...
     
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    *Exactly* the same deal here, but I didn't even have a texting plan since it's all handled through Google Voice. My $70/month already subsidizes my smartphone, and if I'm going to have to pay a couple hundred for a new phone in 9 months I might as well go with a lower-cost plan from someone else.

    "Where your problem is our 40% net profit margin"


    Edit: Sorry, 30.8% NET operating income margin... (page 12)
     
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    binary visions The voice of reason

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    I figure another 2 years might be enough time for the various big wireless providers to pull their heads out of their collective asses in regards to plan costs, since the little pay-as-you-go carriers seem to be making a pretty big splash.

    If not, Google seems to be pricing their Nexus phones pretty aggressively off-contract. I mean, the Galaxy Nexus has been available unlocked straight from Google for like 6 months now, for $350. So maybe I'll go that route.
     
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    As BV says much of what you say is wrong. For example the SIII has one of the longer lasting batteries out there.

    PC Mag tested talk time:
    Verizon S3 10 hours, 43 minutes
    Verizon Razr Maxx 16 hours, 45 minutes
    ATT One X 9 hours and 9 minutes
    Sprint 4S 7 hours, 33 minutes
    Sprint Nexus 7 hours, 33 minutes
    Sprint EVO 4G LTE 6 hours and 22 minutes

    Anandtech actual:









    In reality Nokia's WPs blow in comparison:









     
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    H8R Cranky Pants

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    You're pissed off about PHONE OPERATING SYSTEMS???

    Get a fvcking grip.
     
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    Westy the teste

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    Smart phones are ****ing commodity products. Arguing over brands and types is similar to declaring that your brand of toilet paper is the best. Get the phone whose coverage and contract match your needs the best.
     
  37. $tinkle

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    http://www.businessinsider.com/if-the-iphone-5-really-looks-like-this-apple-may-be-screwed-2012-7

    so i can get a subsidized 4s for $100 & 300m data is $20/mo atop my current voice plan...hmmm....
     
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    ^^^^^I saw supposed "spy pictures" and thought the *exact* same thing as that post by BI... The S3 has almost twice the screen size (I *think* it's ~10.6" square for the S3, and 5.6" square for the iPhoen4S, but my math could be wrong). If Apple continues on with their "small form factor" I see them getting *crushed* as more and more people are expecting their phone to do things.

    The other thing about Apple is that they really only have *one* product, their flagship phone. Sure, they'll continue selling the older ones to use up supply and to get a few customers who don't want to pony up the full $300+ for a new one, but they come out with one product per year (or so), and even if it's groundbreaking when it comes out, by the time the next one comes out it's considered *ancient*. HTC/Samsung have several releases per year and offer choices like bigger screen (more money, bigger form factor) or smaller screen, and so on.

    I'm betting there'll be a bunch of Apple fans lining up for the new one, but if that's it I bet sales will drop off precipitously after that first month.
     
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    IH8Rice I'm Mr. Negative! I Fail!

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    not everyone wants to carry around a tablet sized phone in their pocket.granted a larger screened iphone would be nice but having something that might be 10.6" square probably doesnt do it for most people. plus, to help cut down on weight, they put a paper thin back plate on it which i see myself destroying.

    i do agree that they should have their IOS on other styles of phones. id love a rugged phone like the Casio JizzedOne Commando running on IOS