Lift assisted?
Are We Witnessing the Death of Self-Powered Cycling?
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E-bikes are creating a whole new slew of BB/crank/battery and other standards. I thought this kind of stuff is what is driving people away from the sport.
The term moped (/ˈmoʊpɛd/ MOH-ped) originally referred to a type of small motorcycle with both a motorcycle engine and bicycle pedals, generally having a less stringent licensing requirement than full motorcycles or automobiles. The term is now often used to mean a similar vehicle except with no pedals. Mopeds typically travel only a bit faster than bicycles on public roads
On Maui a lot of moto guys are now riding Sur-rons and Speciaized e-bikes and rarely riding their gassers anymore. I predict the end of gas powered dirtbikes for short range riding in the near future.
Unless, of course, you want to go 100mph in the desert.
I think electric will probably find a way to do this just fine. As battery energy density gets better, with a few battery swaps this will likely be a reality.
Sure, but currently, it would only go about 20 miles at those speeds (but I am completely making that number up 
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workday....
Stamp Cover. I’m tired of explaining to people that, I love dolphins.
But actually,
Aosta, Italy is a lot like Northstar. If you follow close enough and it is hot enough you will have the dirty stash and matching arms. Who needs to see below the axles anyways.
It was work and I’ve never ridden that much in 2 days. Luckily no crashes in spite of all my pedal clipping attempts.
I’ll put on wtf ever my boss wants me to during his shoots. The Scott catalog photos posing as a skier or road biker hurt my snowflake way more than a fanny pack. The fanny pack was empty actually and I had to take off my backpack for every shot and put on the tramp stamp over.
No pride
That Ebike shoot trip was fucking sweet though!
That thing is so long and heavy, i mean stable..... I felt like Baltimore Benny.
@errbody - The range stuff doesn’t mean shit. The more you push with your legs the farther you go just like a normal bike.
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If at work you assist someone in their task but in reality you do 70% of the work, do you still assist the other person or does the other person assist you?
Gravel and road.
On regular rides with a typical effort from me + Trail Mode on the Shimano system I reckon I'm putting out more than half of the total energy.
Who the fuck cares?
I rode my Ebike today to give myself a wee rest as I've been on my normal Enduro bike for a 4 hour ride each off the previous two days with guys 20 years younger. Today's was another 4 hour long ride also with a 20 year younger rider and on climbs I rode the bike either switched off or in Eco. HR based calorie burn was still 1000kcal but my legs should be fresher for tomorrows 30 mile off road commute.
I have no idea what you do or who you work with but I can tell you every time I've worked with a whiney cock bag who sticks his nose in and spends their time complaining about others he's always the cunt nobody likes.
As I said I find gravel riding shite. The bikes tend to be heavy and lifeless in comparison to a nice fast roadbike and drop bars off road just kill almost all of the bike's playfulness, not to mention the flimsy tyres.
I have pretty much always done exactly the sort of routes/rides many folk do on their gravel bikes using a hardtail so at least then if I find myself on some interesting terrain or a long descent I can have a proper fuck about to brighten up the ride. Even just popping the odd wheelie/manny. My current hardtail is a Dartmoor 4X built pretty light with fast rolling dirtjump tyres and has a 500mm seat post so it can be ridden seated making it pretty versatile.
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Not a mullet but I wouldn’t mind one like Hucker’s.I think I spot a mullet, so trendy.
I am going to slip the term “proper fuck about“ into casual conversation at least twice this week, so for that I thank you.
DAMMIT
is there a moderator who calls a vote or how does this shit work?
It is a Tontine. We all argue until one last person is left alive. They get to decide and reap the non existent rewards of the argument.
We all get in a line, drop our pants, and piss into the wind.
Whoever comes out the wettest, or the driest, is the winner.
nah
How do we decide whether it is the wettest or driest that is the victor?
Ask R Kelly.
Not that I give a shit either way, buuut next time someone wants to argue that the old "they're motorbikes" line one way or the other - pointing out the companies that decided to get involved is sure to ruffle people.
www.yamahabicycles.com
There's obviously more, but just something to stir the pot.
Actually wondering if any of the moto companies will put out a "good" ebike. Maybe they are ok, but you think their R&D budgets would let them totally bury conventional bicycle companies if they tried.
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Ducati E-Bikes
A year after the launch of the “Ducati Powered by Thok” project, the Ducati range of ebikes built under license from Thok Ebike has expanded. In addition to the MIG-RR other three new models are added: Ducati MIG-RR Limited Edition, Ducati MIG-S e Ducati E- Scrambler. Agile, performing and fun...
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Move e-mobility forward. Our first chapter? E-Bicycles. Downhill. Enduro. All Mountain. Hardtail. Gravel. Trekking. Urban. Kids. Let's ride!
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There's obviously more, but just something to stir the pot.
Actually wondering if any of the moto companies will put out a "good" ebike. Maybe they are ok, but you think their R&D budgets would let them totally bury conventional bicycle companies if they tried.
Italian e-bikes. This should help end the debate when an ebike catches fire and burns down a National Forest.
Not that I give a shit either way, buuut next time someone wants to argue that the old "they're motorbikes" line one way or the other - pointing out the companies that decided to get involved is sure to ruffle people.
E-Bikes
www.gasgas.comDucati E-Bikes
A year after the launch of the “Ducati Powered by Thok” project, the Ducati range of ebikes built under license from Thok Ebike has expanded. In addition to the MIG-RR other three new models are added: Ducati MIG-RR Limited Edition, Ducati MIG-S e Ducati E- Scrambler. Agile, performing and fun...www.ducati.comHusqvarna E-Bicycles | Electric bikes & mountain bikes
Move e-mobility forward. Our first chapter? E-Bicycles. Downhill. Enduro. All Mountain. Hardtail. Gravel. Trekking. Urban. Kids. Let's ride!www.husqvarna-bicycles.comE Bike | Yamaha E Bikes
Yamaha e-bikes enable more roads and trails bicycle riding. Cutting edge electric bike motors, reliable, long-lasting batteries and intuitive controls make Yamaha e bikes the perfect do-more ride. Yamahabicycles.com
There's obviously more, but just something to stir the pot.
Actually wondering if any of the moto companies will put out a "good" ebike. Maybe they are ok, but you think their R&D budgets would let them totally bury conventional bicycle companies if they tried.
All you need to know is that Brian Lopes is now sponsored by yamaha ebikes
Nah, that is sure to backfire: "See? If, Yamaha, Ducati, and Husky are making them, they must be motorcycles."
Look at what we've become. Is/isn't motorbike.......who cares.
We're only doing this because of shitty, wealthy non-profits who claim to protect the environment while jetsetting all over the planet to their next feelgood conference with the forest services' balls in their purses.
"oh no, we're not THOSE people!"
We're only doing this because of shitty, wealthy non-profits who claim to protect the environment while jetsetting all over the planet to their next feelgood conference with the forest services' balls in their purses.
"oh no, we're not THOSE people!"
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A lot of the people that matter in the Forest Service are actually pro e-bike. At least in our district.
That's good. Now get them to the next stage and build some moto trails
Is that the Eldorado? The NEPA people there and the new supervisor live on planet earth.
But region 5, who oversees all the forests in CA does what future litigants want, and every future lawsuit goes to the regional office. The USFS in this state is a patsy to rich fucks who think they know how everyone else should live based on 'preservation' from their mansions 4 hrs away.
The point stands, it doesn't matter what specific state or forest you're in. We've all been around ebikes now whether we own one or not. They can go uphill and and on some flats faster than a pedal bike, but they're not going objectively faster than we have for years descending. The only reason we're whining about whether something is or isn't a motorcycle is either for ego/superiority or for access rights where we don't want to be associated with motors..... Most of us don't really care other than what it might mean for being kicked out of more places. And that's a product of the people who control the forest service.
It's changing though. Look at Jackass/Big Chief etc being opened to e-bikes now.That's good. Now get them to the next stage and build some moto trails
Is that the Eldorado? The NEPA people there and the new supervisor live on planet earth.
But region 5, who oversees all the forests in CA does what future litigants want, and every future lawsuit goes to the regional office. The USFS in this state is a patsy to rich fucks who think they know how everyone else should live based on 'preservation' from their mansions 4 hrs away.
They got it designated as such only because it was a new trail. They're still not allowed on previously designated non-motorized trails.
You're not wrong I'm just trying to point out that access is such a touchy subject, that's the only tangible reason any of us give a shit about whether an ebike is considered a motorcycle or not.
I don't have an ebike. So if the assumption is that everyone who climbed to the top of the hill has an ebike, I must suck at ebiking because I'm always really sweaty and kinda tired.
I was referencing this part.
Oh yeah, I'm dead serious about all that. Some of the best trails in the US are moto trails (monarch crest stuff, porcupine rim bits, downieville, tons of stuff in crested butte).
But mtbers are so scared of ebikes being considered motorcycles that they don't want to be associated with them for loss of trail access. I even made a stink about it years ago myself.
But the problem is not each other with a different kind of bike. The problem is the fuckwits who have so demonized motorcycles so much, that mountainbikers with ebikes clutch their pearls when it's pointed out they are on a motored cycle. Who cares what it's called. Make trails everyone can ride. If motos are fucking up your trails grade them better or build rock strewn alternates. Of course at least here all the bikers will gravitate towards that and then act like they own it......
And like I said earlier, we can all ban together against whiney equestrians and hikers who think they're better than everyone else.