Are you ready for......PORN!!!!
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saying it is the best is different then saying "it has the sitffest rear end in the world" that is nonsense and you know it. I mean come on it may be stiff but even if it is the stiffest thing in the world i think overpromotion like that on an interent forum is just uncalled for. I can understand wanting to help the sponser and stuff but if it actually is the "stiffest rear end in the world" why isnt orange using this as a serious marketing campaign ive NEVER heard that before is the odd thing. That is just childish I don't think i would make a remark like that and im a punk 15 year old haha.
I think i have seen that bike befor
Thank you. Some people just do not get it. Also forgot a comma after unfortunately, which probably didnt help any.
Also, until you ride one (biker 3), don't say that it isnt the stiffest rear end on a full suspension DH bike. Because, i truly believe it is, as does orange, as do the structural tests they have run on them and compared to other bikes.
Why is it nonsense BTW? Some bike has to have it doesn't it? So why can it not be the orange 223? Do you have a better suggestion?
Something with 32mm bearings, an integrated axle and a huge stiff, 1 piece box section chainstay?
Obviously being a 15 year old punk you do not read much, THAT WAS their marketing campaign before they enlisted peaty to be the walking marketing campaign. I do not have to "help a sponsor". Orange does quite fine on their own.
Sporange rhymes with orange, don't you know anything punkassean
. Can't we all just get along, no one was trying to offend anyone else? And also, Transcend's team probably didn't just randomly get picked up by Orange, they probably seeked out the company because they liked him.
. Can't we all just get along, no one was trying to offend anyone else? And also, Transcend's team probably didn't just randomly get picked up by Orange, they probably seeked out the company because they liked him.
marketing campaign and a few test reviews from vaerious sources..
As for marketing, last years catalog droned on and on about the horiz hold and how it works. Go find a catalog as I am too lazy to type it out.
Man you have nothing better to do am i correct? Im sitting here giving you crap and LAUGHING MY HEAD off at how serious and out of proportion your blowing this. Don't pull that crap about ride one then tell me because find where I specifically said " the orange is not the stiffest bike in the world" or find where i said "the orange is not a good bike" I think its an awsome bike and I'm sure its very stiff but I just cannot understand you calling it the stiffest bike in the world when you, orange bikes or any other bike company hasn't specifically compared EVERY Production DH bike out there. I mean thats just a load of crap and chill out man im just messing around mostly. Here ill spend a few hours of my meaningless adult life digging up articles to prove me point to a kid having some fun on the internet. Your pathetic as said before get a life and please cut the "building my self confidence routine" little number by getting extremely overly technical about some remarks made on the internet by someone you don't even know.
is the best bike in the world. Its got a QR and a metal swingarm making it the nicest, stiffest, best handling best everything bike on the market. Cannondale told me its the best single pivot design ever. Here what these mags say that I dug up from my bias, unreasonable mag promotion archive for my bike.
According to Dirt mag:" The gemini is such a cooler bike then the orange 223, much better design, cooler colors and cedric rides one who is cooler then peat.
MBA: We LOVE THIS bike (just like every bike we test) Its soo cool the orange 223 does not compare if we were the leader of the transcend magazine team we would switch to gemini's as soon as possible"
See here now this settles it the gemini is way cooler, stiffer and better then the orange and is also reccomended your team makes the switch as soon as possible.
PLEASE I BEG YOU TO TAKE THE HINT OF SARCASM!
According to Dirt mag:" The gemini is such a cooler bike then the orange 223, much better design, cooler colors and cedric rides one who is cooler then peat.
MBA: We LOVE THIS bike (just like every bike we test) Its soo cool the orange 223 does not compare if we were the leader of the transcend magazine team we would switch to gemini's as soon as possible"
See here now this settles it the gemini is way cooler, stiffer and better then the orange and is also reccomended your team makes the switch as soon as possible.
PLEASE I BEG YOU TO TAKE THE HINT OF SARCASM!
Rock on Biker3, that was the best post yet. It should end there, but I had to give you props for interjecting your $.02 into this panty bunching party. And for the record, the point stands that unless you structurally test every other DH bike out there, you cannot claim that yours is the stiffest.
Jm_ does actually have a valid argument there... Oranges have about the longest swingarm of any bike (ie most leverage on the pivot), and all the sideways load is being taken by the pivot. Even if the pivot itself was 100% rigid (which is physically impossible, but anyway), you've still got flex in the swingarm itself to deal with. Yes, you can beef it up and make it stiff (as Orange does) but it's an inherently flexy design; it's something you have to fight all the time. Turners have a much shorter swingarm, which is also supported laterally and torsionally by its linkage - same as with Foes.
And surprise surprise, I've actually spent some time on a 222! In all honesty, it's not a really flexy bike (because, as I said, Orange beefed the pivot/swingarm up), but I dislike it for other reasons, like the insane amount of chain growth, the largely inactive suspension (it feels like a 4-5" travel bike, not a 8" or whatever it is bike), etc...
And surprise surprise, I've actually spent some time on a 222! In all honesty, it's not a really flexy bike (because, as I said, Orange beefed the pivot/swingarm up), but I dislike it for other reasons, like the insane amount of chain growth, the largely inactive suspension (it feels like a 4-5" travel bike, not a 8" or whatever it is bike), etc...
It has a very different ride than other bikes that I've owned for sure! I agree to some point that it doesn't feel like it has that much travel. To me this seems to make the bike feel a lot more quick as far as sprinting jumping and turning.
I would definately say this is one of the stiffest bikes I've owned.
list of owned (DH)
2000 Bullit
2001 Foes DHS Tube
2002 Orange 222
2004 Orange 223
In my bullit, I could definately feel the flex, so we'll just keep that guy outta there. The Foes was a superbly stiff bike, except that it didn't track right for my riding style. The Oranges, however, fit my riding style much better, I would even go so far as to perfectly. A swingarm attached by the Horiz hold pivot is extremely sure footed, and though it might not feel like gobs of travel are being recieved via the swingarm, when combined with a well tuned progressive shock (ie 5th Element or Swinger) I cannot feel the thing bottom out but that is a whole other story in reguards to what Lil Dave said. I would agree with Transcend about it being the stiffest bike ever. As you can see above, the bikes I've owned are all extremely similar, and I have very limited time on anything else, but the only times I EVER felt what might have been mistaken to be flex in the 22x chassis was a high speeds in G-outs around corners running 20 pounds of pressure (tires). At the exact same place on that trail, but at 30 PSI, all "flex" was eliminated, thus proving to me that the Orange is the stiffest bike ever, because the only possible explanation is that the tire rolled over in the prior instance. Not to tell everyone that an Orange is the perfect bike for them, but I firmly believe that everyone should at least try one that is set up for them, because they will experience the peak of aluminum and single pivot technology. GO ORANGE!!!
Disclaimer: I ride for Orange, but this is an unsolicited post.
list of owned (DH)
2000 Bullit
2001 Foes DHS Tube
2002 Orange 222
2004 Orange 223
In my bullit, I could definately feel the flex, so we'll just keep that guy outta there. The Foes was a superbly stiff bike, except that it didn't track right for my riding style. The Oranges, however, fit my riding style much better, I would even go so far as to perfectly. A swingarm attached by the Horiz hold pivot is extremely sure footed, and though it might not feel like gobs of travel are being recieved via the swingarm, when combined with a well tuned progressive shock (ie 5th Element or Swinger) I cannot feel the thing bottom out but that is a whole other story in reguards to what Lil Dave said. I would agree with Transcend about it being the stiffest bike ever. As you can see above, the bikes I've owned are all extremely similar, and I have very limited time on anything else, but the only times I EVER felt what might have been mistaken to be flex in the 22x chassis was a high speeds in G-outs around corners running 20 pounds of pressure (tires). At the exact same place on that trail, but at 30 PSI, all "flex" was eliminated, thus proving to me that the Orange is the stiffest bike ever, because the only possible explanation is that the tire rolled over in the prior instance. Not to tell everyone that an Orange is the perfect bike for them, but I firmly believe that everyone should at least try one that is set up for them, because they will experience the peak of aluminum and single pivot technology. GO ORANGE!!!
Disclaimer: I ride for Orange, but this is an unsolicited post.
hardly a conclusive list.
Yeah, could be the stiffest "true single pivot", depends on your perspective, the foes is a "better way" to make a single pivot, so again, it's like trying to fight with your hands tied behind your back. To each his own, still...there were outrageous claims made.
Yeah, could be the stiffest "true single pivot", depends on your perspective, the foes is a "better way" to make a single pivot, so again, it's like trying to fight with your hands tied behind your back. To each his own, still...there were outrageous claims made.
As I stated, I know I have a limited experience on anything else, but it's definately a quality shown only through many hours on one. Ride an Orange for a season before you decide that it's a flexy bike, then, if you still doubt the integrity of the bike, be my guest and b*tch as much about it as you like, but until you have a lot of time in the behind the bars of a 223, don't tell me about ride qualities it might posess
I haven't, although I can tell you what ride qualities it posses based on the suspension design (there are no magic 223 gnomes that live inside of it, it is governed by the rules of physics like everything else). What I have done is say that it is NOT the stiffest bike ever, and NOT the most popular bike ever. Arguing against either one of those is futile, but fun to observe.
I agree that it isn't the most popular bike out there (but that's only because everyone else out there has never ridden one ) and I will say that it is the best performing bike I have ridden, and least flexy bar none.
) and I will say that it is the best performing bike I have ridden, and least flexy bar none.
This arguement is pointless.
Fact is, if you're looking for a light, stiff, descent pedaling bike that likes to be ridden aggressivly, going with an Orange or C-dale gemini might be a really good option for you. They've won races at the highest level....
oh...and for the record, my dad could definitly beat up your dad.
Fact is, if you're looking for a light, stiff, descent pedaling bike that likes to be ridden aggressivly, going with an Orange or C-dale gemini might be a really good option for you. They've won races at the highest level....
oh...and for the record, my dad could definitly beat up your dad.
i don't know whether the orange is the stiffest bike ever, but it definitely is one of the stiffest bikes out there.
and that is being said from someone who doesn't like that frame at all
it so does NOT fit my riding style.
and that is being said from someone who doesn't like that frame at all
it so does NOT fit my riding style.