[DRB]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6356265/

.....In a formal whistle-blower complaint filed last week, Greenhouse alleged the award of contracts without competition to KBR puts at risk “the integrity of the federal contracting program as it relates to a major defense contractor.” The contracts were to restore Iraq’s oil industry.

Among the evidence cited in the complaint was an internal 2003 Pentagon e-mail that says the Iraq contract “has been coordinated” with Cheney’s White House office.

The vice president, who continues to receive deferred compensation from when he was Halliburton’s chief executive in the late 1990s, has steadfastly maintained he has played no role in the selection of his former company for federal business.

 

[bomberz1qr20]

.....In a formal whistle-blower complaint filed last week, Greenhouse alleged the award of contracts without competition to KBR puts at risk “the integrity of the federal contracting program as it relates to a major defense contractor.” The contracts were to restore Iraq’s oil industry.

Bunnatine Greenhouse

Please tell me that this is a fake name to protect her identity...

 

[Damn True]

...are we discounting the FACT that Halliburton was the only company capable of handling the terms of the contract?

The old allegations have once again been recycled, this time one week before the election,” Hall said. “The GAO said earlier this year that the contract was properly awarded because Halliburton was the only contractor that could do the work.
“We look forward to the end of the election, because no matter who is elected president, Halliburton is proud to serve the troops just as we have for the past 60 years for both Democrat and Republican administrations,” she said.

I don't think anyone is so sub-human as to enter into a war for the sole purpose of making money.
Isn't that what these allegations suggest?

 

[Changleen]

I don't think anyone is so sub-human as to enter into a war for the sole purpose of making money.

So why did GW go into Iraq? WMD? Nope. Threat to US? Nope. Oil? ahh......

 

[bomberz1qr20]

...are we discounting the FACT that Halliburton was the only company capable of handling the terms of the contract?

The old allegations have once again been recycled, this time one week before the election,” Hall said. “The GAO said earlier this year that the contract was properly awarded because Halliburton was the only contractor that could do the work.
“We look forward to the end of the election, because no matter who is elected president, Halliburton is proud to serve the troops just as we have for the past 60 years for both Democrat and Republican administrations,” she said.

I don't think anyone is so sub-human as to enter into a war for the sole purpose of making money.
Isn't that what these allegations suggest?

Chicken or the egg?

I'd go as far to say the conflict, and possibly Haliburton's focus as a company, were a design together. Cheney's was the CEO, and he could have played a key role in developing Haliburton's direction to be a company that would swoop into this situation.

Iraq's oil has been sitting there a long time, and you can be sure that people have had designs on it for years.

This wasn't a rush to war, it was an execution of excellent financial planning. This is business done with an eye on the long term dollars.

"I don't think anyone is so sub-human as to enter into a war for the sole purpose of making money."

Ohhhh yes they are. If not, we'd be kickin the sh*t out of every two-bit dictator in the world. We don't even bother with REAL threats. If N. Korea had oil or diamonds they would be armed with sling shots and Daisy rifles by the time we were done with them. There's no money in that hornet's nest though.

But a systematically weakened country led by a madman sitting on the oil jackpot? BOING.

 

[Damn True]

If it was about oil would we not have gone after the threat posed by the evil axis of Venezuela?
After all, we get the majority of our oil from them......not the middle east...let alone Iraq alone.

 

[Changleen]

If it was about oil would we not have gone after the threat posed by the evil axis of Venezuela?
After all, we get the majority of our oil from them......not the middle east...let alone Iraq alone.

Yeah, but Venezuela are happlily taking it up the ass. They do whatever the US wants, no question, and they arn't a strategic gateway to all the rest of the middle eastern oil.

 

[Silver]

If it was about oil would we not have gone after the threat posed by the evil axis of Venezuela?
After all, we get the majority of our oil from them......not the middle east...let alone Iraq alone.

You don't think we tried monkeying around in Venezuela? Had they been a Muslim country, I'm pretty sure they would have been on the sh!t list after 9/11.

And when I say "think" I mean "know."

Do a quick google, and you'll see what I mean. A lot of those links aren't mainstream (and by that I mean I haven't read them all, and I don't take responsibility if they are crackpots or not) but this one certainly is:

http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1103582

 

[Damn True]

Does spinning this much make you dizzy?

 

[Changleen]

Does spinning this much make you dizzy?

Not as much as the blinkers you are wearing affect your vision.

 

[Damn True]

You don't think we tried monkeying around in Venezuela? Had they been a Muslim country, I'm pretty sure they would have been on the sh!t list after 9/11.

And when I say "think" I mean "know."

Do a quick google, and you'll see what I mean. A lot of those links aren't mainstream (and by that I mean I haven't read them all, and I don't take responsibility if they are crackpots or not) but this one certainly is:

http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1103582

Ok, but I thought your point was that this was just about oil and just about money. If that were the case it shouldn't matter if they were muslim or not. If that were the case they would have found a connection to Al-Queda or WMD in South America...or perhaps Canada....we did buy 46,863000 barrels for crude from them last year.

 

[Damn True]

Not as much as the blinkers you are wearing affect your vision.

Well thank goodness you are so on top of things with brilliant insight such as: "The internet says........"

I'm through responding to your posts until you begin infusing them with some thought.

 

[Changleen]

Well thank goodness you are so on top of things with brilliant insight such as: "The internet says........"

I'm through responding to your posts until you begin infusing them with some thought.

Fine by me.

 

[Silver]

Ok, but I thought your point was that this was just about oil and just about money. If that were the case it shouldn't matter if they were muslim or not. If that were the case they would have found a connection to Al-Queda or WMD in South America...or perhaps Canada....we did buy 46,863000 barrels for crude from them last year.

Don't be silly.

Oil IS money these days.

Are you conceding the fact that the US looks like it supported a military coup of a democratically elected government, and then shrugging it off because it was about money and not oil?

FYI, the action that lead to the coup was nationalizing the state oil company. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether that was oil or money...

(For the record, John Kerry has basically the same position on this you do, which puts you with fine company, I suppose.)

 

[bomberz1qr20]

Ok, but I thought your point was that this was just about oil and just about money.

It's mainly the money. The fact that we get to slap the crap out of Muslims just gives the religious right an extra-hard boner. If Buddhists were sitting on oil we'd snuff those evil heathen pacifists too.

 

[Damn True]

No, I'm saying that your argument dosen't hold water.
If it were about money/oil and this whole thing is purely a business decision then religion shouldn't have been a factor and the prime focus would have been the amount of available money/oil. If that were the case then a little piss-ant player like Iraq would not have been the ideal candidate for this whole thing.

From a business standpoint, Canada would have been the best target. They are solidly in the top five or ten oil producing countries. The logistics of bringing our military to bear would have been much easier (and would have avoided a lot of expense). Finally, the transportation component would be an order of magnitude cheaper.

Now, how to justify it......Hell, some people in Canada speak French. Cesare Battisti has been hiding in France for years which means the French harbor terrorists.

I say we bomb Canada into the stone age.....oughta take a week, tops.

 

[Changleen]

No, I'm saying that your argument dosen't hold water.
If it were about money/oil and this whole thing is purely a business decision then religion shouldn't have been a factor and the prime focus would have been the amount of available money/oil. If that were the case then a little piss-ant player like Iraq would not have been the ideal candidate for this whole thing.

Iraq has the 2nd largest proven reserves in the world...

From a business standpoint, Canada would have been the best target. They are solidly in the top five or ten oil producing countries. The logistics of bringing our military to bear would have been much easier (and would have avoided a lot of expense). Finally, the transportation component would be an order of magnitude cheaper.

Now, how to justify it......Hell, some people in Canada speak French. Cesare Battisti has been hiding in France for years which means the French harbor terrorists.

I say we bomb Canada into the stone age.....oughta take a week, tops.

Again, there's no need to bomb Canada or Venezula (and remeber bombing does cost money too) as they are happily selling the US as much Oil as it wants, nor do they have strategic value.

 

[Silver]

The US can't bomb Canada. Too many white Christians.

Now, did we screw around in Venezula, or not?

 

[Damn True]

The US can't bomb Canada. Too many white Christians.

Now, did we screw around in Venezula, or not?

We?
You're Canadian. What are you F###ers up to?

 

[Changleen]

We?
You're Canadian. What are you F###ers up to?

Ah, Deviation from the point. The sure sign of a lost argument...

 

[Damn True]

No ya meathead, it was a joke.

 

[Silver]

We?
You're Canadian. What are you F###ers up to?

I pay taxes here. Makes me part of the evil empire...

 

[Damn True]

I pay taxes here. Makes me part of the evil empire...

Cool, high five!

America F*$K YEAH!

 

[valve bouncer]

I don't think DT is gonna answer the question fellas so I will. Yes, America did and is still trying to f*ck with Chavez.